Dirtbag59
03-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Where do you get that 80% number from? If were gonna have a discussion that throws out figures we should have some source.
Because as closely as I follow college football I've never heard/read that number.
I have read that this year coach Shaw allowed Luck more freedom at the LOS then ever before.
But, that freedom isn't unique to Luck many pro-styles QBs like Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill have a LOS audible system.
You're not going to like the answer, but First Draft Podcast with Mel Kiper and Todd McShay. :D
I'll have to go back but they got that either from talking to the Stanford coaching staff or NFL scouts.
I think you overstate this point in the eyes of scouts.
Sure its very impressive that Luck given and able to handle that level of control at the LOS.
But, its also important to remember that those audibles were part of a system that was taught to him.
Its not an innate part of his skillset.
Like I was saying in the previous post a scouting mantra is: you draft for tangibles.
Luck's main advantage are skills he learned because of the system Harbaugh installed at Stanford.
One could make the argument that Harbaugh superior (NFL caliber) coaching created a situation that gave Luck equal or better coaching then he'll receive in the NFL whereas all the other prospects are going to be exposed to the best coaching of their lives.
One could also argue this situation causes Luck to be closer to his potential and therefore has a lower ceiling then other top prospects.
On the whole being more 'pro-ready' is a relatively short lived advantage it may last a few years or it might not last through training camp.
Part of being the better prospect on draft day is having that better floor. On top of that as stated before Griffin has torn an ACL and left a game with concussion like symptoms, Luck's only injury in college was a broken finger.
Who knows, maybe in NFL war rooms safer means better provided theres enough upside left to justify the evaluation.
Then my mistake, but that is surely the implication that comes across in your posts when you attempt to shout down people who suggest that Griffin could go no.1.
Yeah, my whole angle with being a Luck apologist came about because there were a few people on this forum talking about how they were worried the Colts were going to take Luck over Griffin.
Ironically enough I hate being a Luck apologist because a lot of the time it sounds like I'm putting down Griffin, or in some cases that I don't even think he'll be a good NFL QB and that couldn't be further from the truth.
If Luck and Griffin aren't far apart that why can't Griffin go no.1?
How can you claim there close as prospects and at the same time claim its impossible that Griffin is being considered for the 1st pick?
He could but everything I've heard and read suggest that virtually every scout has Luck as the undisputed number 1 prospect on the board. I'm not making my own judgement as an armchair scout, it's just that I can't find many places besides shock jocks that say Griffin over Luck. Greg Cossell is the most respectable opinion I can find on record that says Griffin is a better prospect then Luck, other then that it's slim pickins.
This segment from an article on SBNation basically sums up my opinion.
Yes, Andrew Luck Is Still A Better QB Prospect Than Robert Griffin III - Stampede Blue (http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/3/26/2903329/yes-andrew-luck-is-still-a-better-qb-prospect-than-robert-griffin-iii-nfl-draft-2012-colts)
Andrew Luck has been the de facto No. 1 overall pick since December of 2009. It's just a boring, uncompelling fact. The Panthers would have taken him No. 1 overall last year over Cam Newton (yes, they would have Panthers fans), and if the Redskins had the No. 1 pick over the Colts this year, they too would take Luck. There's a reason that pretty much every scout and talent evaluation expert says Luck is No. 1:
Because as closely as I follow college football I've never heard/read that number.
I have read that this year coach Shaw allowed Luck more freedom at the LOS then ever before.
But, that freedom isn't unique to Luck many pro-styles QBs like Russell Wilson and Ryan Tannehill have a LOS audible system.
You're not going to like the answer, but First Draft Podcast with Mel Kiper and Todd McShay. :D
I'll have to go back but they got that either from talking to the Stanford coaching staff or NFL scouts.
I think you overstate this point in the eyes of scouts.
Sure its very impressive that Luck given and able to handle that level of control at the LOS.
But, its also important to remember that those audibles were part of a system that was taught to him.
Its not an innate part of his skillset.
Like I was saying in the previous post a scouting mantra is: you draft for tangibles.
Luck's main advantage are skills he learned because of the system Harbaugh installed at Stanford.
One could make the argument that Harbaugh superior (NFL caliber) coaching created a situation that gave Luck equal or better coaching then he'll receive in the NFL whereas all the other prospects are going to be exposed to the best coaching of their lives.
One could also argue this situation causes Luck to be closer to his potential and therefore has a lower ceiling then other top prospects.
On the whole being more 'pro-ready' is a relatively short lived advantage it may last a few years or it might not last through training camp.
Part of being the better prospect on draft day is having that better floor. On top of that as stated before Griffin has torn an ACL and left a game with concussion like symptoms, Luck's only injury in college was a broken finger.
Who knows, maybe in NFL war rooms safer means better provided theres enough upside left to justify the evaluation.
Then my mistake, but that is surely the implication that comes across in your posts when you attempt to shout down people who suggest that Griffin could go no.1.
Yeah, my whole angle with being a Luck apologist came about because there were a few people on this forum talking about how they were worried the Colts were going to take Luck over Griffin.
Ironically enough I hate being a Luck apologist because a lot of the time it sounds like I'm putting down Griffin, or in some cases that I don't even think he'll be a good NFL QB and that couldn't be further from the truth.
If Luck and Griffin aren't far apart that why can't Griffin go no.1?
How can you claim there close as prospects and at the same time claim its impossible that Griffin is being considered for the 1st pick?
He could but everything I've heard and read suggest that virtually every scout has Luck as the undisputed number 1 prospect on the board. I'm not making my own judgement as an armchair scout, it's just that I can't find many places besides shock jocks that say Griffin over Luck. Greg Cossell is the most respectable opinion I can find on record that says Griffin is a better prospect then Luck, other then that it's slim pickins.
This segment from an article on SBNation basically sums up my opinion.
Yes, Andrew Luck Is Still A Better QB Prospect Than Robert Griffin III - Stampede Blue (http://www.stampedeblue.com/2012/3/26/2903329/yes-andrew-luck-is-still-a-better-qb-prospect-than-robert-griffin-iii-nfl-draft-2012-colts)
Andrew Luck has been the de facto No. 1 overall pick since December of 2009. It's just a boring, uncompelling fact. The Panthers would have taken him No. 1 overall last year over Cam Newton (yes, they would have Panthers fans), and if the Redskins had the No. 1 pick over the Colts this year, they too would take Luck. There's a reason that pretty much every scout and talent evaluation expert says Luck is No. 1: