Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

It's funny how there's several articles and posts that say the trade for the 2nd pick is risky. Gambles are considered risky by how much that can be potentially lost. What exactly can the redskins say they have right now that they would be losing?Wins between 2012-2016?

The gamble is of course that you win more games as a function of having Robert Griffin play quarterback than you would with someone else (Ryan Tannehill) playing quarterback and with three declining free agents instead of three ascending draft picks (assuming 53 man rosters throughout).

You lose the gamble if Tannehill + 3 ascending players would have outperformed Griffin and three free agents who we wouldn't have needed if we had draft picks. You win the gamble if Griffin and whoever we sign to help Griffin wins more games than Tannehill and those picks would have.

I'am glad we are getting RGIII, but has anyone heard if he has made any statements about comming to the Skins?no, i haven't. he probably whispered sweet nothings into their ear at the combine

Wins between 2012-2016?

The gamble is of course that you win more games as a function of having Robert Griffin play quarterback than you would with someone else (Ryan Tannehill) playing quarterback and with three declining free agents instead of three ascending draft picks (assuming 53 man rosters throughout).

You lose the gamble if Tannehill + 3 ascending players would have outperformed Griffin and three free agents who we wouldn't have needed if we had draft picks. You win the gamble if Griffin and whoever we sign to help Griffin wins more games than Tannehill and those picks would have.

That's ultra-subjective though. Even though it's easier to say that Griffin/Tannehill more directly helped/hurt the Redskins/_____ team. It's so much more difficult to say anyone other than a QB directly made _____ team better.

Taking our Redskins fan caps off for a minute, who is under more pressure by 2015, the Redskins and RGIII, the Browns or the Rams?

-Redskins gave 3 picks (2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2014 1st) to move up for their QB of the future. Does he have to develop into a top 5-10 QB in the league for this trade to be a win? How about if he's playing at a high level but the levels of talent around him are substandard because of the 3 top level players they are giving up over the next 3 years?

-Browns didn't meet the demands for the pick.. If they go with McCoy or even Tannehill or Weeden in the late 1st and are back in the top 10 looking for a QB sometime in the next 4 years will they be ridiculed for not going strong enough?
-Rams got all the picks they wanted.. Don't they need to be a Super Bowl competitor in 2015 or so in order to call the trade a success for them? If they miss on even 2 of their upcoming 5 1st round picks over the next three years, those picks can impact the salary cap and the tendency to hold onto first rounders hoping they develop and miss out on suitable replacements.

Who's got the most pressure to perform? Redskins, Browns or Rams.

Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.

I say the Browns, because the fan base is pointing the finger directly at management for letting RG3 basically slip away, even though they had more firepower (more picks and Better picks) than we did.

If they continue losing, I see alot of the fanbase getting fed up with that squad, if they arent already.

Is anyone else feeling the sticker shock of the Griffin deal wearing off and pure joy arising from having a stud QB?

No, but I bet you are. As soon as I heard about the trade, I set about convincing myself of the "glass half full" mentality, which was fairly easy. I'd rather they pull a big gamble like this than settle for a combo of a retread like Orton and a second rate rookie like Cousins.

Taking our Redskins fan caps off for a minute, who is under more pressure by 2015, the Redskins and RGIII, the Browns or the Rams?

-Redskins gave 3 picks (2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2014 1st) to move up for their QB of the future. Does he have to develop into a top 5-10 QB in the league for this trade to be a win? How about if he's playing at a high level but the levels of talent around him are substandard because of the 3 top level players they are giving up over the next 3 years?

-Browns didn't meet the demands for the pick.. If they go with McCoy or even Tannehill or Weeden in the late 1st and are back in the top 10 looking for a QB sometime in the next 4 years will they be ridiculed for not going strong enough?
-Rams got all the picks they wanted.. Don't they need to be a Super Bowl competitor in 2015 or so in order to call the trade a success for them? If they miss on even 2 of their upcoming 5 1st round picks over the next three years, those picks can impact the salary cap and the tendency to hold onto first rounders hoping they develop and miss out on suitable replacements.

Who's got the most pressure to perform? Redskins, Browns or Rams.

Great question. From a FO and Fan perspective, its the Browns. They are notoriously unwilling to act from a risk perspective. Their Fans will and they should hold them most responsible if they dont win because they dont have the nuts to pull a deal like this.

From a Coaching and Player perspective, its Shannahan and RG3 for sure. All in on RG3. I will say this though, with the new CBA the financial risk for a RG3 is zilch, nada which is vastly differently from completing a trade like this a couple years ago. If RG3 fails, your not completely handcuffed by the picks and the money.

Rams have little pressure because of the fan base isnt as crazy as the Browns or Skins and they have multiple picks to share the blame, but with RG3 its just one guy (if things go south).

Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.

Good point. Its kind of like they have the 4th pick in the draft after the two superstar QBs are off the board. They have a QB in place. But I wouldnt say that they have NO pressure, just not as much as the skins or browns. That being said, the skins play in a far tougher division, and every QB in the division is in the top half of the league in efficiency barring the skins and their rookie. The skins have a solid core around RG3, and with a few key FA pickups, I really dont see why we cannot challenge for the division title THIS year. Not having a turnover machine at the QB position and a defense with more experience can only improve the bottom line. I have faith that Shanahan will continue to make solid acquisitions during FA, and mold us into a SB contender not this season maybe, but definitely next year. As I am saying all this, I feel a sugar rush from all the koolaid Im chugging, let me take a seat for a minute!!!

Rams have zero pressure.
They didnt need to draft a QB this year and moved to the sixth pick where they will get a blue chip player of their choice.
Its nothing but win win for them.

So if in 2015 they are coming off of a 5-11 season and 2 of their first rounders are busts that's still a win? What responsibility or even expectation do they have to turn this 'bounty' into a contender?