New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

It doesn't happen around the league where more than just players are involved. Skins are going to get nothing but a fine, if that.

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.

Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.

I think I speak for all of us when I say...I want Skinsfan69's job

pretty much, especially when bonuses are taxed at a much higher rate. Something like 38%-40%

I get your point clearly. I have yet to hear ONE player say that Gregg Williams wanted his defensive players to INTENTIONALLY hurt a guy where he wanted them to take a guy out for the sake of ending his career....and then pay them for it. If you hit a guy hard, and it's a CLEAN hit, and he gets carted off the field then guess what? That's football. What Phillip Daniels did back in 05 was great. If he gets extra cash and is praised in front of his co-workers then I'm all for it.

WRONG.

This from Bufffalo:

NFL.com news: Former Bills safety Wire reveals 'bounty' system under Williams (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275de8b/article/williams-reportedly-also-ran-bounty-system-as-bills-head-coach)

Wire told The Buffalo News (http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece) in Sunday's editions that "there was financial compensation" for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, and three other former teammates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also confirmed it to the newspaper.

So there you go. There's a player saying guys were paid to deliver hits that "seriously injured opponents."

Dude really? Just stop. How can you even think that paying guys cash bonuses to get a man carted off the field does in no way imply malicious intent?

Going out there with the intent to put a man on a stretcher IS intentionally trying to hurt him. It's so cut and dry, it's baffling that you can't wrap your brain around it.

Sometimes people only see what they want to. Maybe you should johnny5dickey him. ;)

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

The NFL has always been a rough league. It's been that way since the days of leather helmets. Gregg Williams was wrong because he disrespected the game in the way he did, and plus as much as I wanted him to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins after Gibbs stepped down, I'm now shaking my head and sort of glad that Daniel Snyder didn't hire him because as a head coach, the level of his disrespect for the game would have been greater. He's a great defensive coordinator. I give him that. In a way, as a life long Redskins fan, I did want him to be our head coach. But I see him differently now. If Roger Goddell severly punishes Williams, and I know he will, Williams could always go to North Western, Central Arkansas, or North Texas and have a job in building up a college football program.

Matt Bowen: Bounties are part of the NFL - Chicago Tribune (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-02/sports/ct-spt-0304-bowen-nfl--20120304_1_bounties-head-coach-nfl)

Springs with another take

Springs on bounties: "That wasn't what it was" - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins (http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/03/springs-on-bounties-that-wasnt-what-it-was.html)

Either way, there are certainly players saying the intent was to harm. This was known and encouraged all the way up to the general manager. A convicted felon helped fund the program. The Saints were warned and did nothing. All those things combined lead to serious penalties being levied on the Saints.

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

Great points. As far as GW's hiring by the Rams, I wouldn't be surprised if his buddy Jeff Fisher knew about his bounty program. Whether or not he was going to allow it in his locker room is a different story. But yeah, it's strange that the NFL wouldn't have informed the Rams about the investigation and the potential severity of the situation.

As far as the HOF game, do the Saints have some important former players up for selection or something? It's a shame because instead of celebration the history of the game, that entire week is going to be bounty-gate ad nausem.

Per Adam Schefter, GW is in NYC today meeting with NFL officials.