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Dirtbag59 03-03-2012, 03:14 PM no, that just LL.
and i don't know why people are so surprised or defensive about it. We caused a LOT of opposing injuries when GW was here, and playing after the whistle was pretty common too.
people are always going to want to take out the other guys QB though, it just makes sense if you want a better shot at winning. but an illegal hit is still an illegal hit, and they all violated the NFL's contract law, which is sorta like getting capone on tax evasion, but there's that too.
Heck in 2010 we got 2 of our 6 wins by knocking the starting QB out of the game in games against Philly and Tennessee.
EARTHQUAKE2689 03-03-2012, 03:19 PM To be fair in the Eagles game we were already winning when Vick was knocked out.
I understand that. But that's like saying the penalty for rape or murder is the same as assault or petty larceny. Rules can be broken in a more or less severe way. Don't you think that if the program was to intentionally hurt the penalty by the league should be worse than if it was a pay for performance program but with clean hits?
I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.
Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.
GMScud 03-03-2012, 03:27 PM I don't think you can draw a line between paying for clean hits or knockout shots. Either way it's illegal and the penalty should be severe regardless.
Let's not be naive, I think GW was paying for rewarding players for both types of hits.
He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.
He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.
I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?
Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.
Paintrain 03-03-2012, 04:49 PM Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.
Lotus 03-03-2012, 04:55 PM Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.
True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.
Giantone 03-03-2012, 05:03 PM Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.
Are you sure?I ask becuase if I remember right Gegg Williams was the #1 canidate to replace Joe Gibbs and even Williams himself thought he was getting the job,what happen ...did Dan Snyder know and just dump him ,Vinnie??? Your thoughts?
CultBrennan59 03-03-2012, 05:04 PM I really hope we don't get punished for this. When is it enough time to say 'hey we can't punish them for this.' ??
I mean really, if the Raiders of the 80s we doing steroids and coaches supplied them of it, do the coaches, players and organization really get punished for what happened years ago with players that aren't even on that team anymore?
I will be furious if we lose a pick that could be crucial in us getting RG3..
GMScud 03-03-2012, 05:10 PM True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.
It's pretty unbelievable that the owner, GM, and head coach all knew about it, and yet it continued.
mooby 03-03-2012, 05:10 PM He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.
He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.
I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?
Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.
The GMScud missile ftw here.
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