I don't believe him cause he doesn't want us to lose any picks or get in trouble with the league. We're talking about a guy who lost OTA practices cause they were getting too physical. I just find it real hard to believe that he knew NOTHING about it. Besides we're not talking about bounties to hurt a player... a la Buddy Ryan and the Dallas kicker. We're talking about some extra incentive for hits, turnovers and so forth. We'll agree to disagree.
The league isn't even looking at penalizing the Redskins 5 years and 2 head coaches later.
Having a physical OTA is not even in the same league as authorizing bounties. You're kidding yourself if you think the bounties didn't involve extra cash for injuring players.
But have they with 100% certainty authenticated the claims that the Saints were doing this to intentionally hurt and injury other players? Because a lot of current and former players have come out saying that this kind of thing is league wide and has been for some time but as a motivation for clean hard hits. Matt Bowen was interviewed on SportsCenter earlier and talked all about the Redskins program under Gregg Williams but claimed it was for legal hits.
And others have claimed the exact opposite from what Bowen is saying.
SkinzWin
03-03-2012, 02:14 PM
And others have claimed the exact opposite from what Bowen is saying.
So how do they determine what it truth and what is false? It's players words vs other player's words is it not? Where did this story even break from in the first place? I'm not saying this didn't happen, but unless they were stupid enough to write down everything or record it in some fashion, I don't even see how this can be authenticated as fact.
So how do they determine what it truth and what is false? It's players words vs other player's words is it not? Where did this story even break from in the first place? I'm not saying this didn't happen, but unless they were stupid enough to write down everything or record it in some fashion, I don't even see how this can be authenticated as fact.
Gregg Williams apologizes for “terrible mistake” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/gregg-williams-apologizes-for-terrible-mistake/)
What else do you need to see?
T.O.Killa
03-03-2012, 02:46 PM
OMG NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275c188/article/report-nfl-looking-into-redskins-bounty-system-under-williams?module=HP11_headline_stack)
SkinzWin
03-03-2012, 02:47 PM
Gregg Williams apologizes for “terrible mistake” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/02/gregg-williams-apologizes-for-terrible-mistake/)
What else do you need to see?
Whether it was bounties for hard but clean hits, or for knockout hits to injure other players. Playing for bounties is against league rules regardless, but it makes a BIG difference if it was meant for legal or illegal hits. If it is for legal hits then the whole league will be fined and suspended. The penalty for the Saints should be a lot different based on the meaning of the program IMO.
Chico23231
03-03-2012, 02:51 PM
OMG NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275c188/article/report-nfl-looking-into-redskins-bounty-system-under-williams?module=HP11_headline_stack)
Well here we f*cking go. Ex players need to keep their mouth shut...stop snitchin
Whether it was bounties for hard but clean hits, or for knockout hits to injure other players. Playing for bounties is against league rules regardless, but it makes a BIG difference if it was meant for legal or illegal hits. If it is for legal hits then the whole league will be fined and suspended. The penalty for the Saints should be a lot different based on the meaning of the program IMO.
They broke the rules, plain and simple, and tried to cover it up. We're arguing semantics at this point.
SkinzWin
03-03-2012, 03:00 PM
They broke the rules, plain and simple, and tried to cover it up. We're arguing semantics at this point.
I understand that. But that's like saying the penalty for rape or murder is the same as assault or petty larceny. Rules can be broken in a more or less severe way. Don't you think that if the program was to intentionally hurt the penalty by the league should be worse than if it was a pay for performance program but with clean hits?
Dirtbag59
03-03-2012, 03:02 PM
OMG NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275c188/article/report-nfl-looking-into-redskins-bounty-system-under-williams?module=HP11_headline_stack)
Of course they're investigating us. At the very least it's a violation of the CBA. Lets hope they only view it as a minor violation and fine us money or a mid round pick and that the reason the hammer is being brought down on New Orleans is due to the fact that they were asked to stop.
So the New Orleans Saints were dumb enough to continue a “bounty” system even after the NFL investigated them once, after owner Tom Benson told general manager Mickey Loomis to have it stopped and, worst of all, long after it had stopped working.