Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades


EARTHQUAKE2689
03-04-2012, 05:12 PM
I don't think Janoris is the walking arrest that Pac Man was.

REDSKINS4ever
03-04-2012, 05:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins go into the season with Gomes starting at strong safety. He didn't play either good or bad as a rookie, but I'm betting he'll develop into a quality player over time. Bruce Allen drafted Gomes for a reason, I'm sure.

Bubba305-ST21-
03-04-2012, 05:27 PM
i think Grimes is tagged. i think Gomes is alright but in this defense you need a very good and active safety. i really just hope laRon comes back but not likely

GTripp0012
03-04-2012, 05:30 PM
I don't think Janoris is the walking arrest that Pac Man was.Yeah, my biggest concern with Jenkins isn't his checkered past or college tape, it's his age.

2012 age for 1st round projected CBs:
Claiborne - 22
Gilmore - 22
Boykin - 22
Kirkpatrick - 23
Jenkins - 24

To put context on that number, Johnathan Joseph signed with the Texans after a five year career in Cincinnati, and went to the pro bowl at age 27 for the first time. Claiborne, Gilmore, and Boykin will all be free agents before that age.

I think he's a first round value, but it's more troublesome that he's advanced in age compared to the other players at his position at the top of the draft than it is that it is that he's got a bunch of kids or got kicked off the Florida Gators.

Bubba305-ST21-
03-04-2012, 05:39 PM
hes not 24 utnil the end of october, hes 23 which is an average rookie age. I would love this pick in the second round if we still have that pick and hes still there.

EARTHQUAKE2689
03-04-2012, 05:54 PM
If we get Janoris in the 2nd I'll be happy.

GTripp0012
03-04-2012, 06:00 PM
hes not 24 utnil the end of october, hes 23 which is an average rookie age. I would love this pick in the second round if we still have that pick and hes still there.Well, 23 is not the average rookie age if we're talking age on draft day (though I was not), 22 is.

The bigger point is that he's 15-21 months older than his peers, with "his peers" meaning "other first round draft picks at the CB position."

That's the bigger deal with his age. In other context, he's a couple months younger than Carlos Rogers was on draft day 2005, and that more than anything prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here.

Bubba305-ST21-
03-04-2012, 06:16 PM
Well, 23 is not the average rookie age if we're talking age on draft day (though I was not), 22 is.

The bigger point is that he's 15-21 months older than his peers, with "his peers" meaning "other first round draft picks at the CB position."

That's the bigger deal with his age. In other context, he's a couple months younger than Carlos Rogers was on draft day 2005, and that more than anything prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here.

hes only 23, rookies range in age from 21-23 most of the time. Kerrigan was older when he was drafted. A few months doesn't mean anything, players blossom and decline at different ages. And age was the last thing that prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here, he couldnt catch a cold and the whole relationship between him and the front office wasnt in sync, age was not a factor. That being said I would love a matured changed attitude Jenkins in the second round waiting for us to pick him.

SBXVII
03-04-2012, 06:22 PM
I really don't get the BFD on the age issue. Players will come and go all the time and new ones will need to be drafted to replace them. As long as they have talent and can help the team then there should be no issue. This team should always be looking to upgrade at every position no matter what age the players are.

GTripp0012
03-04-2012, 06:25 PM
hes only 23, rookies range in age from 21-23 most of the time. Kerrigan was older when he was drafted. A few months doesn't mean anything, players blossom and decline at different ages. And age was the last thing that prevented Rogers from getting a second contract here, he couldnt catch a cold and the whole relationship between him and the front office wasnt in sync, age was not a factor.I think you're underrating the effects of age on both and development and decisions. Kerrigan was right about the average age for a first round draft choice.

One year is generally not a big deal here and there, but if you've got juniors and seniors committed for the draft in the 21-22 range at cornerback projected to go in the first round, it's a meaningful difference to instead opt for a 23.5 year old on draft day.

Jenkins is going to get picked above any talents in the next tier, but I had no choice but to drop him b/c of his birthday when compared to the top talents in the same draft. I think he probably lasts into the second round, when someone will probably take him there for his abilities.

Not knowing the effect of someones age on draft profile isn't the same thing as saying it doesn't matter. It has to matter on some level.

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