Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

Yeah, me too. I'm tired of being the SB champs of the offseason.

"Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results".

The Skins have repeated the same mistake for 11yrs. They shift one year and do something different with good results and everyone gets withdrawls and wants to return to the Skins of old.

Aaron Rodgers fell into Green Bay's laps and this past season and the Saints game in the playoffs played like a franchise qb. But let's move on I'm not gonna convince you that we should trade for him and I'm not trying to and you won't convince me that we shouldn't.

If you can't discuss intelligently, go to ES. We keep hearing you repeat that you believe the Skins should take the risk and trade up for Griffin, but you're not giving one iota of logical reasoning as to why that direction makes the team better than acquiring Manning in free agency.

Franchise quarterbacks are fun. Until 2012 happens, Alex Smith both is and is not a franchise quarterback, depending on the argument you are trying to make. And even better, you don't have to believe one or the other. You can just use the term or reject the term as it suits you.

I'm not guess at the costs to move up, that's about what it's going to take. I refer you to other trades and the NFL draft chart for evidence.

We are 40 million (and soon to be more after cuts) under the cap, and you worried about Manning's salary? Really? Do you realize how we got so far under? By cutting bloated contracts we spent to free agents, and have cheaper, younger, and better talented guys on the squad from the draft.

Yet, you sit up here and are willing to piss the team's future....just for the mere "CHANCE" of a franchise QB. If he busts, you have set the team back a minimum of five years. That's another five years of dreadful football, with other people getting our picks because we pissed them away for the "savior".

Choosing Package A:
Best Case: RGIII blooms, but the team is set back from contending due to the missed talent that would have came from draft picks used on him.

Wost case: RGIII is a bust, and the team is drafting in the top 5 for the next 4 years due to lack of talent.


Choosing Package B:

Best Case: Manning is healthy and returns to form. We use those draft picks to solidify the team's holes and contend almost immediately.

Wost Case: Manning isn't healthy, and we rely on Cousins or Orton at QB. We use those draft picks to further solidify the team make it a playoff caliber team.



At least with option B, the team could still be a playoff caliber team without a "franchise" QB. With option A, the team may still not be a playoff caliber team even with the "franchise" QB. You guys are willing to gamble too much for too little. I'm sooooo glad you aren't running this team. I would have stopped watching football by now if you were.

1. There is no recent trade nor example from the value chart that makes your trade likely.

2. Cap room is cap room. If you give 15 mil to Peyton Manning, that is 15 mil that can't be spent esewhere. Just brushing that aside to try to make your argument stronger is pretty weak.

3. I don't believe every drafted QB is the same and that it amounts to a coin flip whether they bust or not. Griffin is one of the best QB prospects in recent years, and that's why I want to draft him. It's not because I just want some kind of randomized chance at a good QB.

4. If a chance at greatness is staring you in the face and all you can do is worry about what the worst case scenario is, then you'll never have the guts necessary to succeed. Big accomplishments never come by avoiding any risk.

5. I couldn't care less if the Redskins become "playoff contenders". I want them to become "Super Bowl contenders". There's a difference. And teams that don't set their sights on titles never win them.

If you can't discuss intelligently, go to ES. We keep hearing you repeat that you believe the Skins should take the risk and trade up for Griffin, but you're not giving one iota of logical reasoning as to why that direction makes the team better than acquiring Manning in free agency.

I gotta better idea. If you don't like what I post put me on your ignore list that way you don't have to read it and I don't have to see your pathetic attempt to be an asshole. So everybody wins.

I am really on the fence with both because- going by history- picking up a free agent franchise quarterback is really a longshot. I know the circumstances with Manning is different but whatever the reason the colts feel that their team and organization is better off without Manning (and his contract) which is just like any other player that gets cut.

But really this thread shouldn't be an either-or choice. I think whether or not the redskins are able to get Manning through free agency- they should really invest a high draft pick (preferably a 1st rounder) in a qb. Because- going by history again- a majority of the "franchise" qbs are obtained through the draft or get on a team very early on in their career and they develop as the team gets better too. Bottom line: it would seem to be a better option to try to find a franchise qb in the draft rather than pick up an aging franchise qb that was thrown or given away by another team.

What I'm really on the fence about though- is whether RGIII is worth giving up something like 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders for. If he's definitely a franchise qb then hell yeah but we all know that the draft is one big crapshoot. And giving up those draft picks is like losing 4 potential playmakers - like 2 Ryan Kerrigans and 2 Jarvis Jenkins on the team.

If you can't discuss intelligently, go to ES. We keep hearing you repeat that you believe the Skins should take the risk and trade up for Griffin, but you're not giving one iota of logical reasoning as to why that direction makes the team better than acquiring Manning in free agency.The case for trading up to 2 for Griffin is as follows:

Griffin would be a first overall pick in any other year. He can't be a first overall pick this year because Andrew Luck is in this draft. The Rams would be foolish to not draft Griffin, but if they are willing to trade that pick, better you be the team to get it than someone else.

If all that is true, then yeah, you'd go get Griffin because he's a once in every few years prospect.

I personally am rejecting that his pre-draft value is that high...that you can't get him with the 3rd or 4th pick. I think the world of him as a prospect, but I wouldn't even take him at 6th if I had a healthy Peyton Manning on my roster.

Ok Vinny. I'm glad you don't run this team anymore either. How's the job search coming along?

Pretty good. I'm a manager at a Gamestop now, doesn't pay as much as Genreal Manager does but I still get the bills paid.

..and for the record, I'm a huge fan of RGIII and would love him to be in the B&G. That said, it's not the best move for the future of this team to sell the farm to get him. Nobody wants a franchise QB more than me. I've had to watch guys like Bradshaw, Montana, Young, Elway, Manning, Brady all come in this league and tear it up while our team struggled year after year for the past 20 years. It sucks, but we have to stop doing business the fools way. The reason Vinny was so shitty at his job wasn't because he didn't know football or personnel, it was because he took too many chances. He gambled the OL's health would stay up. He gambled those big time FA would make a impact. He gambled trading those picks would pan out with veteran acquisitions. He gambled on high risk draft picks. Our fans seriously need a detoxing of this poisonous culture that jerkoff created. We long to have a guy like Bill Belicheck here, but we shun the method he uses to build a team. Ironic to say the least.

Franchise quarterbacks are fun. Until 2012 happens, Alex Smith both is and is not a franchise quarterback, depending on the argument you are trying to make. And even better, you don't have to believe one or the other. You can just use the term or reject the term as it suits you.
All you have done is highlighted yet another example of the equivocation fallacy.