Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.

Well there's one that agrees w me

To quote the movie Big Daddy: "That guy doesn't count, he can't even read."

... what else can we talk about?

Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB


OL - right tackle, OG, C


This team has more holes than just the QB.

If RGIII is that franchise QB, I don't care about Riley Reiff, Manti Te'o, Alfonzo Denard, or Andersen "The Spider" Silva. A franchise QB makes all those holes disappear so I send my 1st rounder in 2012 and 2013, as well as a 3rd this year and a 4th next year for my QB and we are still left with:

2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 7th plus FA. You mean to tell me we can't fill holes with that? I don't want Manning.


So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.

Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

Also this.

S/N: Does this mean I can't start a thread to discuss a scenario where we trade down, pick up 4 2nd round picks, and use them to draft Tannehill, Foles, Cousins, Weeden, and Osweiler, and thus create Lotus' Long Term Backup Barn 2.0?

... Hey you stole that approach from cerrato- the "if you throw enough sh*t at the wall something's bound to stick" method of drafting. It looks like Fred Davis proved he was the sh*t from that class of receivers.

Defense. CBs/Safeties/ILB


OL - right tackle, OG, C


This team has more holes than just the QB.


Manning makes all that better

I think RGIII will fall to #6 and thus requires no trade-up.

We could have both PM and RGIII perhaps, if we desired.

It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?


Which would you choose?


Package A:

1) RGIII


Package B:
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)





That's about what you'll have to pay to get RGIII. SO tell me, which would you chose? Put your mancrush down and think sensible. Knowing the holes we have, would you honestly give up all that for RGIII? If you whiff on that pick, you are screwed for many many years to come. You whiff on Cousins, and you pick up a QB later on and still have a solid team.

Package B all day....ERRR DAY.

I agree, which is why I say neither. One will cost too much money, the other too many picks. Either way the overall team is weakened.

Get a different free agent and draft a different rookie this year and add 5-10 starters (not necessarily day 1 starters) between free agency and the draft.

Continue to BUILD for the long run.

So you want to piss away draft picks, and sign big name FAs? If that doesn't wreak of Vinny, I don't know what is. After a decade of doing business that way, you'd think that you would have learned a lesson by now. I guess it's that battered spouse syndrome.



Most smart teams build their team via draft and supplement via FA. We have been doing the opposite up until this past year. I like the new way.

I don't remember saying signing big name FAs. I make the trade for the guy who I think will be the face of my franchise for the next 15 seasons. Fill my holes with smart FA signings like we have been doing. You can stockpile all the picks you want but without a QB you'll be drafting in the top 10 every year. Eventually you got to pull the trigger.

And I still think RGIII will be there at #6 but if we want to trade up for him, I'm not against it.