Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

Wait. Luck had a mediocre line? I wouldn't say that at all.

Two of his OL will most likely be drafted in the top 20. I wouldn't call that a mediocre line...lol

Kid, I have no clue who who you are nor do I give a flying ****. I haven't said the first thing to you so if you have your panties in a bunch it's your problem. I you don't like me, put me on ignore and go about your way. If you are going to insult people (much like you did with me and others) and not bring anything else to the table, then I suggest you go over to Extremeskins where you'll be much more suited.

I'm here to talk football and other things. We don't often agree around here, but there is a line of respect we try to maintain. I've apologized a few times when I've been out of line, but I recognize that and correct it. You on the other hand are bitter about something so that's on you.

I find it funny you talk about "character" and yet you sit behind a computer insulting people you have zero clue about. What does that say about your character...or lack there of? I do my work, and my boss doesn't have to ask me twice to do anything. I get incredible reviews on my job. I am the utmost professional at my job. I said that to piss you off and it hit the mark, and for that, I'm glad.

If you got anything else to add (or not add in this case), then send it via PMs. You are detracting away from the discussion going on. Have a nice day.

Wow...a couple of paragraphs. Now I feel really bad.

For me it all depends on how FA shakes out. There's multiple scenarios here which I wouldn't mind if it happened.

Scenario A:
Sign Manning in FA, trade down in first, pick up multiple picks, take Tannehill in late first/early second and also use other picks to fill other spots, like maybe a Kendall Wright or Juron Criner to help out Manning.

Scenario B:
RG3 falls to 6, we take him. No trade down, no FA qb, etc. This would be a scenario I wouldn't see happening as the Shannies' first choice, but one where if the situation did occure they'd take advantage of.

Scenario C: Crazy trade scenario where we trade up to 1, Colts trade down to 2, and Rams trade down to 6. We get Luck, Colts get RG3, and Rams get draft picks to help out Bradford.

Scenarios I would be pissed if they happened:

Scenario D: We sign Orton in FA, and take one of the non-Tannehill 2nd rate draft qb's available and head into TC with Orton and 2nd rate guy ready to battle.

Right on all around.

It's not as simple as asking to choose between RGIII and Peyton. The real question is which package would you rather have?


Which would you choose?


Package A:

1) RGIII


Package B:
1) Peyton Manning (while using 3rd rounder to draft Kirk Cousins)
2) Reily Reiff -OT (1st)
3) Alfonso Denard-CB (2nd)
4) Lucas Nix -OG (4th)

5) Manti Te'o - ILB (2013 1st)
6) Orhian Johnson -SS (2013 4th)





That's about what you'll have to pay to get RGIII. SO tell me, which would you chose? Put your mancrush down and think sensible. Knowing the holes we have, would you honestly give up all that for RGIII? If you whiff on that pick, you are screwed for many many years to come. You whiff on Cousins, and you pick up a QB later on and still have a solid team.

Package B all day....ERRR DAY.

I'll take the latter as well. All day everyday and twice on Sundays ( and into watching football in Jan and maybe Feb. )

Why is RG3 considered such a sure-fire prospect, I keep reading posts (albeit many of them from ES) that mention RG3 and Luck in the same breathe, as if these guys aren't that far apart.

I love RG3 and he's exciting to watch, but I'm not about to glance over the fact that he comes from a spread offense. RG3 has little to no practice in going through progressions/making post-snap reads. This may be me being a little tough on him, but I see a QB that stares down one side of the field, waits until a man gets open and if he doesn't feel a man is going to get open he takes off from the pocket running.

That doesn't sound like the type of football that would translate well to the NFL. Could it? Certainly, and it has before. But I can't see why he's consider a sure-fire pick.

RG3's floor in my opinion is a bust, he could literally flop out of the NFL. While Luck's on the other hand is probably that of an average to above average QB. So long as Luck stays healthy I expect him to be a starting QB his entire career, I can't say the same for RG3.

I may just be preaching to the choir, but if anyone out there is of the mind-set that RG3 should be uttered in the same breathe as Luck, or believes he's a sure-fire prospect, I would like to hear the reasoning why.

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He's saying it's only going to cost this year's first and third and next year's first. Don't see how that happens with Cleveland's picks.

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He's saying it's only going to cost this year's first and third and next year's first. Don't see how that happens with Cleveland's picks.

It will take at least 2 firsts and a 2nd...but probably more

Why is RG3 considered such a sure-fire prospect, I keep reading posts (albeit many of them from ES) that mention RG3 and Luck in the same breathe, as if these guys aren't that far apart.

I love RG3 and he's exciting to watch, but I'm not about to glance over the fact that he comes from a spread offense. RG3 has little to no practice in going through progressions/making post-snap reads. This may be me being a little tough on him, but I see a QB that stares down one side of the field, waits until a man gets open and if he doesn't feel a man is going to get open he takes off from the pocket running.

That doesn't sound like the type of football that would translate well to the NFL. Could it? Certainly, and it has before. But I can't see why he's consider a sure-fire pick.

RG3's floor in my opinion is a bust, he could literally flop out of the NFL. While Luck's on the other hand is probably that of an average to above average QB. So long as Luck stays healthy I expect him to be a starting QB his entire career, I can't say the same for RG3.

I may just be preaching to the choir, but if anyone out there is of the mind-set that RG3 should be uttered in the same breathe as Luck, or believes he's a sure-fire prospect, I would like to hear the reasoning why.

I'm not going to really answer your question here I don't think...but I'm of the opinion, and this may sound crazy, that in many ways Luck is severely underrated...underappreciated...whatever the right word is. He's not an electrifying dazzling player but he just gets it done and he does it seemingly so effortlessly that when you put his highlights against someone as electrifying as RG3 can be, then the admiration for RG3 skyrockets.

It's kind of like there was a time when everyone loved the dazzling shortstop abilities of Ozzie Smith as he dove and flipped everywhere, but no one really appreciated that Cal Ripken just knew where to be so he wouldn't necessarily have to dive everywhere

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He's saying it's only going to cost this year's first and third and next year's first. Don't see how that happens with Cleveland's picks.


Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher go way back. They'll work it out because they are former members on the 49ers coaching staff so they've known each other for years and years. Even if the Browns have more ammunition, it doesn't mean the Rams will accept it. What does it matter if Cleveland has two first round picks this year? The Rams can get a first rounder from the Redskins this year and next year. And next year's pick can be higher than a 19th pick depending on how the Redskins finish. The compensation for the 2nd overall selection is just about the same. Even if the Rams take the Browns pick, how much is the 19th overall pick really worth in conjunction with the 4th overall pick really worth?

Shanahan and Fisher will iron out a deal if they haven't done so already.

Mike Shanahan and Jeff Fisher go way back. They'll work it out because they are former members on the 49ers coaching staff so they've known each other for years and years. Even if the Browns have more ammunition, it doesn't mean the Rams will accept it. What does it matter if Cleveland has two first round picks this year? The Rams can get a first rounder from the Redskins this year and next year. And next year's pick can be higher than a 19th pick depending on how the Redskins finish. The compensation for the 2nd overall selection is just about the same. Even if the Rams take the Browns pick, how much is the 19th overall pick really worth in conjunction with the 4th overall pick really worth?

Shanahan and Fisher will iron out a deal if they haven't done so already.

Cleveland could throw in next year's first. That still puts us a first round pick behind them. I don't buy that Fisher makes the deal because him and Shanny are boys. I'd park RGIII in the AFC and take Cleveland for all they got;)