Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

To me it's like Schneed said, get PM who will not effect our draft at all and will not be a very big CAP hit.

You still want to waist draft picks and move up for RGIII good for you guys.

Me... I'd prefer to trade back for more picks which means more players which means more chances on hitting good players. Getting younger and faster and healthier at all positions is key. If RGIII falls to number 6 then I'm in for taking him but I'm not for mortgaging the teams future for one player. He's not the only player to come out of the draft with similar skill sets ie; Newton last year. Next year it will probably be the LSU kid who decided to stay in college.

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Signing Peyton Manning doesn't preclude the team from acquiring a potential 'franchise' QB.

It simply reduces the urgency to acquire a QB of the future this draft, thus allowing the top draft choices to go directly towards adding young talent to the roster. (OL, WR etc)

It allows the team the choice to develop and groom a QB of the future at their pace.
Sure they could draft a QB with the 6th pick or in the second round or 3rd round.
But I think the team would be better served adding talent for Peyton with this draft class top picks.
Then they could draft a mid-round QB prospect or they could draft a 1st round QB in future drafts if neccesary.

Now if they choose to draft a QB in a future draft while Peyton is under the center we likely/hopefully won't be picking in the top half of the draft.
But we all now that franchise can come from anywhere in the draft they're not relegated exclusively to the top 10 picks.

A recent example is Joe Flacco who was drafted with 18th pick in the same draft where Matt Ryan was drafted with the 3rd pick.
I think its fair to say that both QBs have proven themselves their respectives team's 'franchise' QBs?

The Ravens moved up from the 26th pick to the 18th pick by giving up a only a 3rd round pick and a 6th round pick.

Furthermore in my opinon, Manning's decline will be much less pronounced than other QBs, because his dominance stems more from his mental preparation more so than it does his physical attributes. Manning was never going to wow crowds with his athleticism, and while he can make all the throws in an NFL playbook, he doesn't have one of the strongest arms in the NFL. Manning wows the crowds because he knows what plays a defense is running better than they do. This is not a skill that is going to diminish over time, if Manning still has the arm-strength to complete every NFL throw, there's nothing to suggest he can't once again be one of the top franchise QBs in the NFL.

Or it could be that he has less he can afford to lose in physical skill, and less to gain in experience, which could make his decline steeper. In baseball, speed players lose their value less as they age than other players.

In fact, go look at the careers of the 10 QBs Pro Football Reference has as most similar to Manning. It's only the mobile ones- Young, Elway, Favre, Staubach- who didn't become shells of themselves after the age of 35. Montana, who was always reasonably, but not overly, athletic, was still good for a couple of years, but definitely off his peak year performances.
The other 5 on the list (Unitas, Marino, Anderson, Kelly, Fouts), who seem to all fit exactly the profile you laid out- not over athletic, not earth-shattering physical skills, but cerebral and prepared- all would have done well to retire by the age Manning is now.

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I get the excitement of the draft, I do, but why waste your time putting this stuff together? I mean really, not on 2012 projections but 2013 as well. SMHit can be fun to use your imagination

Griffin without doubt. Do whatever it takes. Young, athletic, throws a pretty long ball and best of all will bring excitement and invigorate the fanbase

Manning's passer ratings by age:
28- 121.1
29- 104.1
30- 101
31- 98
32- 95
33- 99.9
34- 91.9

A pretty clear downward trajectory there, and that number for his last year would have been good for only 7th best in the NFC this season.


Could you please provide RGIII's passer rating for comparison? Thanx.

For me it all depends on how FA shakes out. There's multiple scenarios here which I wouldn't mind if it happened.

Scenario A:
Sign Manning in FA, trade down in first, pick up multiple picks, take Tannehill in late first/early second and also use other picks to fill other spots, like maybe a Kendall Wright or Juron Criner to help out Manning.

Scenario B:
RG3 falls to 6, we take him. No trade down, no FA qb, etc. This would be a scenario I wouldn't see happening as the Shannies' first choice, but one where if the situation did occure they'd take advantage of.

Scenario C: Crazy trade scenario where we trade up to 1, Colts trade down to 2, and Rams trade down to 6. We get Luck, Colts get RG3, and Rams get draft picks to help out Bradford.

Scenarios I would be pissed if they happened:

Scenario D: We sign Orton in FA, and take one of the non-Tannehill 2nd rate draft qb's available and head into TC with Orton and 2nd rate guy ready to battle.

People say that, but is that really true? The rushing stats between the two are fairly similar. RGIII ran more than Luck who is definitely more of a pocket passer, but in one year, Luck had a far higher rushing average (with a decent sample size). The very few times I watched the two, neither were very "shifty", but Luck seemed to have more of a burst.

Probably already answered but I think you have to actually "watch" the team to determine their situation. What I mean is Luck was probably asked to sit in the pocket and deliver the ball but was flushed due to a mediocre OL and yes he would have a lot of yardage because of this. RGIII probably had a whole offense designed around him where if he doesn't see anything down field with in a few seconds he would just take off and run. As an example I'd say a young Vick vs. a young anyone else with a bad OL. lol.

Wait. Luck had a mediocre line? I wouldn't say that at all.