Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

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The Redskins must duplicate the usual formula in this era of pro football. While signing yet another free agent quarterback would make me roll my eyes and frown, taking either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III would put a huge smile on my face. Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan must trade up even if it includes giving up next year's first rounder in addition to this year's to land the quarterback that the Redskins need.

Not waisting more then 1 draft pick on said player would put the big smile on my face if we could land one of these, but it's doubtfull. So trading back, continueing with last years fabulous draft by trading back to aquire more picks in order to not only get valuable pieces but to help build up our back up pool.

Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson, Coples, Rieff, Floyd...one of these guys could fall to 6 and have someone jonesing for them. It just takes one smitten team.

Not likely IMO. We were able to move last year because a QB fell to our spot. Anythings possible but the QB's are usually what make teams trade up.

[QUOTE=celts32;884289]Thats highly speculative. A trade down is not always available when you want it. Regardless that's not really the point. I don't care how many picks it is...I want the QB problem solved LONG TERM. The teams that win consistently in this league are the ones with the franchise QB's. We need to get one if we want to be something more then a surprise playoff team every now and then.
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Just like trading up is just as speculative. There is a lot of unknowns,

What are the Rams asking for? not what we think it should be but what are the Rams asking for?

Are the Rams even willing to trade? maybe they want RGIII?

I think we all want the QB position locked up LONG TERM. But there is no guarentee with RGIII either. Which is why I'm not up for tossing 4+ picks at just one person in hopes he is and possibly later finding out he's not. Now if this was Drew Brees, or Eli Manning or an already established proven QB then I'm all in and would throw 4+ draft picks for the team to get him.

Okay so we will continue on the wait for a QB to fall from the sky plan. Everything is a risk...there are no guarantees...but the only thing thats certain is that we are not winning until we find a QB.

To answer your question...if the Rams don't want to trade and want to draft RG3 for themselves then I would do 3 cartwheels and offer them the #6 pick for Bradford.

Not likely IMO. We were able to move last year because a QB fell to our spot. Anythings possible but the QB's are usually what make teams trade up.

Ok, fair enough. My point wasn't that we WILL trade down, just that the possibility is there.

And, mathematically, one of the guys I listed or RGIII MUST be there at 6 if we assume that Luck and Kahlil will go in the first three.

RGIII, Claiborne, Blackmon, or Richardson will be there at 6.

Ok, fair enough. My point wasn't that we WILL trade down, just that the possibility is there.

And, mathematically, one of the guys I listed or RGIII MUST be there at 6 if we assume that Luck and Kahlil will go in the first three.

Got it...I agree one of yours would be there, just don't think they would draw a trade up. Kahlil is the only non QB at the top of the draft I could see drawing a lot of interest. but just like with RG3 if he somehow falls to #6 maybe we should just take him.

Doesn't really matter anyway...my original point is really that getting into position to get Tannehill could end up being just as difficult and nearly as costly as getting RG3.

Got it...I agree one of yours would be there, just don't think they would draw a trade up. Kahlil is the only non QB at the top of the draft I could see drawing a lot of interest. but just like with RG3 if he somehow falls to #6 maybe we should just take him.

Doesn't really matter anyway...my original point is really that getting into position to get Tannehill could end up being just as difficult and nearly as costly as getting RG3.

That's cool. I don't have a hard argument. I'm just more optimistic than you are than one of those guys could inspire a trade-down scenario for us.

I'm also more optimistic than many people here that RGIII will be there at 6.

Yeah, you kind of did. None of those trades you mention have the trading up teams giving up as much as you have us doing, save for the Leaf fiasco.

If next year's first was considered to have the value of this year's second, then we would be giving up more than the full price of the value chart without giving up the two 4ths you include. And every organiztion worth anything realizes a future 1st is worth more than that.


The other two were trades where they had 0 leverage so the pick was devalued. Now you have a situation where there are multiple teams wanting the pick, and without the huge contracts that rookies used to get. That pick has now become more valuable than it was prior.


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My scenario was a estimation, and it wasn't overblown that much even though you think it is. I can see several packages like the one above given for that pick.

The Panther's traded their 2010 1st rounder for a 2009 2nd round pick (43rd) worth 470 points.

You want to know why it cost the Chargers so much to move from #3 to #2? It was because of the person at stake. At the time, Leaf was perceived to have a higher ceiling than Peyton.

Fast forward to now. RGIII is also being touted as a top prospect along with Luck and is said to have a higher ceiling. He's obviously good enough for Irsay to mention both him and Luck.

Put that #2 up for bid, and the price could sky rocket if teams start a bidding war. If you want to argue about me adding an additional 4th or 5th to the chart, than by all means haggle away. It was a rough estimate, but it was enough to show that we dont' want to give up that much for one guy.

Get peyton manning, trade down to get 2 solid linemen to protect him, get the next tom brady on the later rounds. win superbowl as early as next year and save Mike shanahans Job.

And then sit back and pop the bubbly! Why haven't we thought of this before?