Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

For these reasons you'll see that I avoid the term "franchise QB" whenever possible and instead use adjectives describing QB quality or longevity.I'm typically a bit more careless with my words (there is a lot of them after all) but I agree that to expect people to use loaded terms less often, it helps to set a strong example.

You (and the others) remind me of this scene.

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You'll swing away blowing your chance to be a consistent winner, just so you can hit the big shot.

What happens if RGIII busts? You trade the farm again in 3 years for the next big thing? And that guy busts? You trade the farm again in 3 more years? The cycle continues until you finally hit the big one eh?...lol

There are times to take chances, and times you don't. We are in no situation to be taking many chances, much like Roy wasn't.

-Ignore every point that doesn't help your argument
-Couch your nonsense and hyperbole in condescension
-Rinse
-Repeat

You wanna blame anyone for these arguments and threads: Matt Barkley.

If not for him it would be a guarantee that we would have either him or RGIII and wouldn't have to worry about trades. Now there's a guy I hope busts.

I'd still make the trade if they wanted 2012 and 2013 1st, 2012 2nd or 3rd and 2013 3rd

Wow. Just wow.

Let's have a direct discussion. If you're the Redskins who do you pick?.....of what likely will be two first-round picks, a second, and possibly other assorted selections.

Redskins must choose between Manning, Griffin - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins (http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/02/redskins-much-choose-between-manning-griffin.html)

Peyton Manning.

I love Robert Griffin as a prospect but for me the difference between drafting him @6 as opposed to giving up the amount of resources Tandler suggests (2 firsts, a second and possibly more) is a deal breaker for me.

With Griffin the gamble is the same as with any rookie QB where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.

The gamble with Peyton Manning is much lower.
Its not a question of whether or not he'll 'become' a franchise or elite QB, he already has proven that he is elite.
The only question about Peyton is a health question.
I guess for me it boils down to the probablity of Peyton Manning being healthy vs probability of a rookie QB reaching 'franchise' or 'elite' status.

Further the risk of Peyton Manning can be mitigated by signing a journeyman QB and drafting a later round developmental QB.
And Manning reduces the urgency to have a QB of the future ready to play this year.
Peyton Manning buys time to either develop a mid/late round QB over time or to wait a year or a few before drafting the next Luck or Griffin in 2014 or 2015.

So this ended up being a pretty good question. Not an obvious answer, despite the run on Griffin responses at the start of the thread.

Wow. Just wow.

Yep. I shock people.

-Ignore every point that doesn't help your argument
-Couch your nonsense and hyperbole in condescension
-Rinse
-Repeat

You're quite clear about your stance. You are willing to blow the future of a good football team for a mere chance of having a QB, even if the odds are 40% of hitting the mark. I on the other hand am not. Not at this time. Get back to me when we shore up a few holes and add some more depth.

Also, I wasn't trying to be condescending either.

The day that every football fan realizes that draft picks are just another currency like the dollar or euro will be a decent day for me, barring tragic events. And of course, using them wisely also matters.

With Griffin the gamble is the same as with any rookie QB where historically the success rate is right around 50/50 its even lower when using the 'franchise' QB or 'elite' QB label as the measure of success.


The real world doesn't work that way. Griffin has virtually nothing in common with Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell, whether you're looking at backgrounds, education, skillset, production, character or temperments. Not to mention, Griffin will be stepping into a situation that will likely bear little resemblence to what the other 2 walked into.

So, to suggest the former's chances of success decline by some percentage because of the failures of the latter two is really wrongheaded, at absolute best.