I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

This sentence makes me giddy..."The Redskins are exhausting all possibilities to get either Luck or Bradford and expect to get one or the other."

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full. You pretty much see it full of sand.

I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all.

The more thought I put into this off-season, the less I want to see the "big" trade deal to get a QB. Any big trade scenario assumes we give up future picks to land a star right now. Unfortunately, that "star" will be walking into a very bad situation. He's got to learn an inflexible, unyielding, almost esoteric hybrid-system concocted by a washed-up legacy coach and his (even less inspiring) son as offensive coordinator. Mike is basically on his way out at this point and it would be monumentally irresponsible to put a young QB under Kyle's sole tutelage. In short, a risk-reward analysis here screams "don't let these guys mortgage the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Trading players is less risky, but disappointing still. If Orakpo wants to be traded at this point I think it indicates how players feel about the current regime i.e. the writing is on the wall this is NOT a winning regime. Re-watching games from last season it's clear Rak didn't give 100% consistently. Is he a lazy type? Hardly. One of the hardest working young players drafted in a long time IMO, but obviously discouraged about something. Mike's ego will trade away our best player(s) to keep his little post-Denver spite project going for another year or two.

Lil Danny was (of course) right to turn the franchise over to football professionals, but most unfortunately he turned things over to Mike Shanahan. My biggest hope right now is Danny doesn't forget the wisdom behind his first decision (to let go) as we endure Mike's failures. There will be a fresh, young Parcells, Belichick, or Gibbs type HC emerge in the next few years and I'm praying circumstances and fate place him at Redskins Park.

Respectfully disagree with every word of this post.

Who said Orakpo wanted to be traded? The Redskins shopping Orakpo and Orakpo wanting to be traded are two entirely different things...

I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all.

I see trading Orakpo as a small step back for the defense and the addition of a Luck/Bradford as the possibility of a leap forward for the offense. It really seems that it is easier to find quality pass rushers than QBs.

I don't like the idea of trading Orakpo. Don't like it at all.

If you don't have a QB you have nothing! I will drive Rak to the airport...

Smootsmack provided an excellent summary here.

My sense of all this is that the Shanahans recognize that they need to upgrade the QB position on the team and they are looking at various ways to achieve that end.

They seem to have focused attention on Luck and Bradford. That is good news because it shows they have "good taste in QBs" - - which might have been in doubt to some degree after the gushingly positive remarks about John Beck 6 months ago. But it is going to take a bit of doing for them to wrestle one of them away from the teams at the top of the draft. To their credit, they are looking at ways to get that done... This means that they are willing to consider parting with an excellent young talent - - Orakpo - - to get this done. And that ought to be a lesson for folks here; when a team wants to go after a prime player or a prime draft pick, it will not do to think about offering only your team's marginal players and/or some low round picks.

At the same time, they are looking at what they might do if all of the dancing that is going on behind the scenes now does not amount to anything real. That is good too because an upgrade at QB is essential so they have to have some plan in place just in case they do not get one of the guys they covet most.

In an different thread, I said that I would not be surprised to see them sign a good-but-not-great free agent along with a developmental QB in a later round. And by the way, going that route would not offend me even a little bit. I believe that with time to evolve their games, both Russell Wilson and Kellen Moore can play QB in the NFL...

Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full. You pretty much see if full of sand.

That's excellent...thanks for the chuckle NM! Admittedly I was never a fan of MS. I think of all SB winning coaches in the last two or three decades his are the luckiest, borne of perfect circumstances if you will, rather than his ability, talent, intelligence etc etc.

Also watching the playoffs makes it painfully obvious how bad this team is right now. We're years away from being competitive, assuming we find "the" coach after Mike's done stroking his ego with Danny's money and our beloved team.

SC is this the news that was supposed to come within 72 hrs or was that something different?