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Schneed10 05-25-2012, 04:50 PM with the cap penalty, our salary cap is expected to be around 98MM (as the nfl salary cap is expected to go down next year). We currently have 96MM committed to 2013 according to your figures on the site. Granted, we can get rid of a good portion by cutting:
however, if we get rid of those players, and taking into account our projected needs, we'd still need to sign 2 starting caliber cornerbacks (Hall is the only one currently on our roster), 2 starting caliber safeties, 1-2 starting caliber OTs (i am not optomistic about williams future) and a starting interior lineman, depending on how our players shake out this year. if we dont resign/extend davis between now and 2013 and/or he cant stay away from the weed, you can add starting TE to that list too.
Those are alot of needs to fill with limited cap space. And considering we wont have first round draft picks the next two years, ALL of our starting needs are going to have to be filled through free agency in 2013 and 2014. sure, we could get lucky with a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but you cant count on it.
CC does an amazing job keeping the cap figures updated on this site, but he will be the first to tell you that while the numbers shown for 2013 are a very accurate reflection of the way the 2013 books look today, they will look much much different come March 2013.
There is so much opportunity to create cap space in those 2013 figures that it's not even worth putting any thought into at this point.
The Dull Roar 05-25-2012, 04:51 PM I think the Redskins can expect about three starters total from the next two drafts. If I told you all you could CHOOSE (the Redskins obviously cannot) which three need positions you would take into the 2015 offseason, which positions would you fill?
Easy. A right tackle, a safety, and cornerback.
The Goat 05-25-2012, 04:55 PM I think the Redskins can expect about three starters total from the next two drafts. If I told you all you could CHOOSE (the Redskins obviously cannot) which three need positions you would take into the 2015 offseason, which positions would you fill?
CB, safety and right-tackle...probably in that order for need but draft-wise I'm a BPA believer.
I would love to see us replace Hall next year and we need starter CB talent regardless.
GTripp0012 05-25-2012, 05:53 PM That's probably what I would go with too, although I would make sure MLB was in mine if the exercise was *only* three starters. You can find quality MLBs later in the draft (even Cerrato found HB Blades in the 5th), but if your team doesn't have one, then your defense ends up looking like the 2006 Redskins or 2011 Buccaneers -- just an absolute sieve. I'd definitely address MLB in the 2013 draft, even if I like the season that Bryan Kehl or Jonathan Goff has.
So I'd probably go: MLB, Slot corner (which is a CB/S hybrid kind of like Rich Crawford), and right tackle. And of the three, I'd say right tackle is both the least immediately pressing issue, and the longest standing weakness on the Redskins.
GTripp0012 05-25-2012, 05:59 PM My definition of "starter" (btw) just means that if you changed your coaching staff and organization entirely and had the existing roster in an entirely new scheme, a 'starter' would remain in the lineup because he's too good to be sitting on the bench. Obviously some later round picks (think Justin Tryon) can grow into roles and play a lot, but he's a free agent now four years in. So not a "starter" by definition, even though both the Redskins and the Colts used him as such.
Schneed10 05-25-2012, 09:34 PM What's all this "if you had a new regime" talk? You better be knocking on wood as you say that stuff, GTripp!
GTripp0012 05-25-2012, 09:55 PM What's all this "if you had a new regime" talk? You better be knocking on wood as you say that stuff, GTripp!Just a definition. Not a loaded hypothetical.
A loaded hypothetical would be wondering how many changes this team would need if they can't win this year. But until they lose their fourth game, I wouldn't rush the evaluation process. There's plenty of time to be thorough.
Anyway, I'm on record saying the Redskins can win a whole bunch in 2012. Not going to say 'will'. Not enough faith in the coaches yet to not screw this up. But this team is leaning towards the young side (at last), talented enough at the critical positions (QB, pass rusher, TE, MLB, LT) to compete with the top teams in the NFL, and might even have enough depth to weather the injuries of a long NFL season. That last one is the key. They are deeper than they were in 2010 and 2011, but are they deep enough?
Chief X_Phackter 05-25-2012, 10:03 PM How 'bout let's see how our 2012 draft pics and FA pick-ups perform this year before we decide that 2013 is doomed due to what we may or may not have to spend. I, for one, am optimistic that regardless the salary cap, we will be able to field a competetive and progressively better team each year with the current regime. Just because you don't have a first rounder, doesn't mean you can't find starters in the draft or elsewhere for that matter. You don't need 22 superstars to be a contender...
GTripp0012 05-25-2012, 11:56 PM How 'bout let's see how our 2012 draft pics and FA pick-ups perform this year before we decide that 2013 is doomed due to what we may or may not have to spend. I, for one, am optimistic that regardless the salary cap, we will be able to field a competetive and progressively better team each year with the current regime. Just because you don't have a first rounder, doesn't mean you can't find starters in the draft or elsewhere for that matter. You don't need 22 superstars to be a contender...No, in fact, even the best teams are incomplete, which is why it doesn't make any sense to try and build a complete team that can't ever get any better. It's also why I'm cautiously optimistic about the Redskins this year. They're not better than 20-22 teams in the NFL, but they also can play top ten teams pretty evenly with their current roster.
GTripp0012 05-26-2012, 12:51 AM I'll show work on Monday or something, but if the salary cap stays at $120.6, I have the Redskins $8.2 million over the cap in 2013 (after all re-signings and rookie signings, so that's not a figure they'll have to comply with at the start of free agency).
No resignings are in that figure though. We'll have five players eligible for RFA (Armstrong, Banks, Gano, Young, Paulsen) if they make the team this year. Also if we want to franchise Fred Davis again, the tender will be $6.5 million (120% increase).
That's really not that high of a number. The Raiders were more than $30 million over the cap this past year AND that didn't include their rookie signings or re-signings. I think they cut just 5 or 6 players, and only really 3 of them could be deemed true cap casualties.
The bottom line is this: Moss, Cooley, and Hall aren't likely to be back in 2013 at their current salaries, but I'm not sure that wasn't always the case, even before the cap penalty.
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