how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger

Peyton Manning and a second round QB.

If RGIII falls to us at 6 I may thing about taking him. Not going to happen but it is possible.

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

Teams are so quick to give up on guys these days. It used to be a given that rookie QBs needed 2-3 years to develop. Remember how San Diego quit on Brees and drafted Philip River right before Brees' break out year?

McCoy could still turn out to be a good QB.

My bet is that RG3 will go to the Browns. I think if Blackmon is still available at 6 then they would probably go for a trade with us. My proposal to them for our 6 is their 22nd pick from Atlanta, their 2nd rounder and Colt McCoy. I like McCoy and think he can still be great in the NFL. I'd love to get RG3 but I just don't see any way to trade up to get him. With the 22nd I want CB Janoris Jenkins. IMO the two greatest needs are CB and QB and this would solve both and get an additional 2nd round pick.

I think this makes sense for both teams. Colt is the last regimes guy and Shurmer and Holmgrem get their guy with their first pick then get the best wr to throw it to. Colt can learn from a veteran QB which he wasn't able to do in Cleveland and the Skins get a young, exciting QB.

My bet is that RG3 will go to the Browns. I think if Blackmon is still available at 6 then they would probably go for a trade with us. My proposal to them for our 6 is their 22nd pick from Atlanta, their 2nd rounder and Colt McCoy. I like McCoy and think he can still be great in the NFL. I'd love to get RG3 but I just don't see any way to trade up to get him. With the 22nd I want CB Janoris Jenkins. IMO the two greatest needs are CB and QB and this would solve both and get an additional 2nd round pick.

I think this makes sense for both teams. Colt is the last regimes guy and Shurmer and Holmgrem get their guy with their first pick then get the best wr to throw it to. Colt can learn from a veteran QB which he wasn't able to do in Cleveland and the Skins get a young, exciting QB.

So who would you have him learn behind? Grossman?

I still really like Colt McCoy, though there's no denying that this season he missed a couple of throws that he really has to make. I feel like at times he gets held to a different standard than Tebow (who, to be fair, is held to a standard never seen before in pro sports) and Bradford (who apparently isn't held to any standard at all) simply because he was drafted in the third round. Oh well, good for the smart teams I suppose.

McCoy should share some of the blame for the ineptitude of the Browns offense. They have the OL (though it was injured this year, which could explain the offensive decline), but they need both better throws and much better catches and routes to be a consistently competent NFL offense.

Who are you talking about there GTripp Bradford was the number one overall pick in the 2010 draft? I was trying to figure out who you ment , but I can't for the life of me.

So who would you have him learn behind? Grossman?

Yes. I know he'll never be an All-Pro but he has been around the league and has started a Super Bowl and he does mentally know this offense well. 2012 QB's in camp would be Grossman, McCoy, Beck, 5th or 6th round QB and maybe Clemmens or someone like it as another arm.

I don't think I can take one more year of Grossman starting honestly. We have to have a better starting option in the opener next year.

I would do what ever it takes to get RG3. If it takes moving up to the number 2 pick giving up the 6th pick, next years 1st and this years 3rd so be it. You have to make the move, you have to solidify the position. Id sign Vince Young in the offseason. I know most of you won't like this move. But hey its what I would do.

If that is all you would have to give up, that would be a reasonable thing to do. Problem is that it is likely to cost a whole lot more than what you have proposed.

If that is all you would have to give up, that would be a reasonable thing to do. Problem is that it is likely to cost a whole lot more than what you have proposed.

Yeah, that's a Madden fantasy type dream trade there. It's more like going to cost 2012 1st, 2nd, and possibly late round pick and a 2013 1st and 3rd (or 4th)

Looking at the trade value chart, the #2 is worth 2,600 points and our pick is valued at 1,600 points. That's a difference of 1,000 points.

Our 2nd rounder is worth 520 points, and our 3rd rounder is worth 240 points. Even with those two, it's worth 760 points with a difference of 240 points. Which is why I think you could probably keep this years 3rd and give them next years 1st and a 4th possibly.

It's going to be steep. I almost would rather trade to the #3 spot where the value is only 2,200 points.

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart (http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php)