Raheem Morris to the Redskins

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FRPLG
01-12-2012, 09:46 AM
I like the guy but one of the knocks was that his players quit on him this year.

Is that him or his players' fault? They were good before...then as soon as the get some injuries and some adversity they fold up? It certainly could be that he didn't do a good job or it could be that the players are young and nothing he did would have changed it.

Coff
01-12-2012, 09:47 AM
I'm concerned that Morris might be a bit out of his element, coaching up d-backs in a 3-4. However, he's a smart enough guy to figure that out. What concerns me more is the idea that he might be hired to eventually replace Haslett if Haslett leaves for a HC position. That would be a return to typical Redskins FO bull****. Completely turning around the direction of the team by enacting a 3-4 defense, spend a couple of years drafting, signing and developing players to fit into it, and then going back on it after a short period of time.

As I said, that's what concerns me about the Morris hire. Ideally though, the Skins hired him to be nothing more than a dbacks coach, which is the impression I get when reading about it. He was promised by Shanahan that he can look for D-Coordinator positions next season. The impression I get is that the Skins aren't interested in Morris ever being anything more than a positions coach, which is the best position they can take.

MTK
01-12-2012, 10:00 AM
Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

skinsfan69
01-12-2012, 10:22 AM
I'm like tripp in many ways, I always get cautious over moves the skins make simply because we suck and have for 20 years now.. he and I are about the same age and have never seen a winner in dc so u have to understand our pain

LOL. A few weeks ago I was talking with my sister about the same thing. We're both in our 40's and were talking about the younger fans and how much we feel bad for them. They don't know what it use to be like around here...where you actually felt apart of something special.

skinsfan69
01-12-2012, 10:25 AM
People always seem to forget Morris was an HC for three years (not two) and he finished 3-13 his first year.

But anyway, as has been mentioned Morris as a position coach should be just fine. His problem as a HC was when he tried to hard to discipline a player the team was like "this isn't you, and turned a deaf ear" so then he would do outlandish stuff like send Brian Price home at halftime for a false start (or whatever it was). Point is, he struggled to effectively cross the line from "hey, I'm your buddy let's work on some drills after practice" to "you're five minutes late to the film session, you're not starting on Sunday"

Can't blame Morris cause the players were too young and immature. In the end the players let him down cause they didn't want to act like professionals.

Coff
01-12-2012, 11:39 AM
Whether you run a 3-4 or a 4-3, what goes on in the secondary doesn't change. The alignment you run only impacts the front seven.

Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

MTK
01-12-2012, 11:44 AM
Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.


WP: How is the transition coming with the switch to the 3-4?

RD: The transition for the Safeties is not that drastic. We are asked to play a lot more coverages and schemes but that has more to do with Coach Haslett's mentality than it does switching to 3-4. The 3-4 affects the DE/LB guys and the other Defensive line up front.

skinsguy
01-12-2012, 11:46 AM
Grumpy?

News to me.

I'm just going off what we've asked guys like Reed Doughty in the past. He said the differences were minimal for the secondary.

Then again it is Ree Doughty we're talking about. I keed I keed.

sportscurmudgeon
01-12-2012, 02:37 PM
For the record the year before he was 10-6 with a team starting 10 rookies. Don't fall victim to the "error of recency". I can't tell why they stunk up the joint this season anymore than I can tell why they didn't the year before...neither means he's great or awful.

Morris' Bucs did just fine in 2010. It would not be a shock to see a young team regress from a 10-6 record. However, what the Bucs showed in 2011 has to be categorized as "disturbing". Losing 10 in a row and losing 4 games by more than 4 TDs is not just a regression from a surprisingly good season; it is a collapse.

Morris and the rest of the coaching staff have to own a significant part of the collapse of the team - - the part that is over and above a mere regression.

SirClintonPortis
01-12-2012, 03:19 PM
Man, you just love being a grumpy little contrarian don't you?

The d-back responsibilities in a 3-4 defense are certainly different. They play more zone, are more responsible for outside run games, have substantially more coordinating with linebackers in multiple receiver threats, etc. Of course, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
Who do you think we are? Oakland? Most teams play a zone of some sort and our DBs are not good enough to be left on a island all the time.

And DBs helping run support is universal. Antoine Winfield is a cover 2 corner who plays in a 4-3, and his role in run support is well-noted.

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