The "Inside Word" on the QB Search


Lotus
01-17-2012, 12:27 PM
Good one. SF is a totally different team than the Redskins are. Hopefully I think most intellegent Skins fans know the difference. They've drafted pretty well for awhile now and have added a few good FA pieces. Yes, Carlos Rogers is one of those pieces. But hey, I'm glad he's gone. He didn't want to be here, so no problem. I'm still wondering how he can all of a sudden catch easy INT's in SF when he couldn't in DC.

MS knows this team and the value of high picks. If he likes a QB though I don't think he'd hesitate a trade.

And yes, Gruden was not worth the picks they gave up.

Trading high picks for a coach is not the same as trading high picks for a player, hence Shanahan's oft-quoted comments. If you trade for a coach, you strip him of draft picks, but if you trade for a player you still get a player.

Shanahan's comments about the Gruden hire are not relevant to a discussion about a trade-up for a player.

NC_Skins
01-17-2012, 01:04 PM
Trading high picks for a coach is not the same as trading high picks for a player, hence Shanahan's oft-quoted comments. If you trade for a coach, you strip him of draft picks, but if you trade for a player you still get a player.

Shanahan's comments about the Gruden hire are not relevant to a discussion about a trade-up for a player.

I think you need to reread the interview. He used the Jon Gruden trade as a comparison to trading up to the No. 1 for 3 first rounders. I think he's telling you that he doesn't think it's worth it be it a coach or a player.

I followed up with a question about the reports and speculation that it could take three No. 1 picks to trade up to the No. 1 spot and take Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck and asked if he considered that realistic or sensible. He responded with a comparison to the 2002 deal in which the Oakland Raiders got two first-round picks, two second-round picks and cash from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in exchange for head coach Jon Gruden.

redsk1
01-17-2012, 01:21 PM
It got them to a SB didn't it? Thats all that matters to some people. A franchise QB, a franchise HC whatever right?

Can't argue too much w/ a SB. It was Tony Dungy's team though, but JG I guess got the ring. It'

Lotus
01-17-2012, 01:35 PM
I think you need to reread the interview. He used the Jon Gruden trade as a comparison to trading up to the No. 1 for 3 first rounders. I think he's telling you that he doesn't think it's worth it be it a coach or a player.

In Shanahan's own logic trading picks for coaches is not the same as trading for players. You really don't expect Shanny to say, "We'd love to trade for Luck," do you?

Shanny traded up for Cutler so we know he is not against trade ups in principle.

skinsfaninok
01-17-2012, 01:56 PM
Don't be so fast to rule out MIN as a suitor for RG3, Remember Ponder was benched a couple times for Webb.. Unlikely but JS


Mock Drafts Central (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts?module=HP11_cp)

Horrible mock for the skins

SkinzWin
01-17-2012, 01:57 PM
SkinzWiz,

Also the reason it has not panned out is because the team has been going after old aged QB's.

McNabb
Brunell

I'd throw in Grossman and Beck but in reality they are not really aged but they aren't or shouldn't be starting QB's either. Flynn is better then Grossman and Beck. Thats a start. Plus he's still somewhat young and not banged up like McNabb and Brunell were. I'd still take a QB in the draft maybe even RGIII if it still didn't cost too much. Otherwise I'd take someone like Tannehill OR WHOEVER ELSE that fits our system to be developed.

SkinzWiz, lol that's a pretty good one. Maybe I should change my name to that. I agree going after Flynn is not as bad as perpetuating the cycle of aged veterans like McNabb and Brunell. I am just leery of putting our eggs in the Flynn basket. A guy with limited NFL experience who was not highly rated out of college, didn't get drafted high. He is exceeding now because of the system and talent he has around him, which he would not have here.
I can see Flynn being more like Kolb than like Brady. Brady is a once in a decade diamond in the rough.

You can see the physical skill set RGIII has. He has accuracy. He is mobile. I just feel like if we don't trade up for him we are doing nothing more than settling for less than what we could have had at QB and I'm tired of settling. Or "waiting" until next year to get our guy.

Shadowbyte
01-17-2012, 03:14 PM
Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in. This will be the 3rd year in a row where these clowns were unable to land a franchise QB. I know my vitriol is premature but Cleveland has more to offer than we do. I even went to numerous Cleveland Browns forums and their fans are clamoring for him. Not saying the fans will dictate who Holmgren drafts but will most certainly have some degree of influence once the local media pressure kicks in to high gear.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/steve-wyche/65034)

SBXVII
01-17-2012, 03:17 PM
I'm telling you RGIII won't make it to us and there will be a bidding war...

The first Robert Griffin to Browns trade rumor emerges | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/the-first-robert-griffin-to-browns-trade-rumor-emerges/)

SBXVII
01-17-2012, 03:17 PM
Oh and sorry about the name SkinsWin. My fingers were flying .... in the wrong direction.

SmootSmack
01-17-2012, 03:18 PM
Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17 (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts/steve-wyche/65034)

I happen to not believe that we will trade up for Griffin. But what are you getting so worked up over? It's just a rumor you've posted.

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