30gut
12-29-2011, 05:52 PM
MY thoughts are on how well the quarterback can read coverages straight out of college. If he's already doing that before he even gets into the NFL, that is a HUGE advantage over the other QBs being drafted.That's where I disagree.
I think its an advantage but not a huge advantage.
All the QBs will have to learn how to read defenses which are far more sophisticated then any they've every seen in college.
But the advantage of having 'read' defenses before could end up being a very short lived advantage i.e. it might not matter past training camp.
30gut
12-29-2011, 06:22 PM
That's what makes Luck so different from everyone else, because one of the biggest limitations on QBs coming from college to the pros (the abilities to use coverage reads and to work a progression) is something Luck is already doing. Because of that, you don't risk a situation like you have with Sanchez where three years down the line you need a fall guy because your quarterback isn't improving.I don't think that what Luck is doing is that different from other 'pro-style- QBs.
Ryan Mallett, Ricky Stanzi, Scott Tolzien even McElroy were all high efficiency 'pro-style' QBs that made pre-snap reads and followed post snap progressions.
Personally I think a lot of the special skills that are attributed to Luck are more a function of his offense and Harbaugh's outstanding coaching at the QB position. (See Josh Johnson in college, see Alex Smith now).
I just don't see Luck as a special, once in a decade talent, that guy was in last yeas draft.
I see Luck like a more athletic, playmaking Matt Ryan.
SmootSmack
12-29-2011, 06:45 PM
Give me the guy who's gonna be forced to sit in the green room longer than anticipated because the fans and so-called experts underestimate him. That's who I want!
Brady Quinn has no idea what you're talking about
Dirtbag59
12-30-2011, 01:51 AM
Anyone else wondering if RG3 is destined to be a bust after this game? I mean, not that I didn't notice it before but that offense is so gimicky.
GTripp0012
12-30-2011, 02:20 AM
Anyone else wondering if RG3 is destined to be a bust after this game? I mean, not that I didn't notice it before but that offense is so gimicky.How is it gimmicky? Because they hand the ball to receivers? We do that. Because they use predominantly zone blocking? We do that. Because they determine the primary receiver based on the playcall? We do that.
CultBrennan59
12-30-2011, 02:33 AM
How is it gimmicky? Because they hand the ball to receivers? We do that. Because they use predominantly zone blocking? We do that. Because they determine the primary receiver based on the playcall? We do that.
I understand where both of you are coming from. But one thing a buddy of mine pointed out is that the WR's RG3 was throwing to were WIDE open, like no one around them, I still think RG3's a great player and would be satisfied with getting him, BUT I still ask myself "Can he read a defense?" "Can he change to the right play if he thinks a blitz is coming?" Cam answered those questions last year hopefully RG3 can do the same.
I'd still take Luck over him though.
Dirtbag59
12-30-2011, 02:42 AM
How is it gimmicky? Because they hand the ball to receivers? We do that. Because they use predominantly zone blocking? We do that. Because they determine the primary receiver based on the playcall? We do that.
Ironically part of my reservation comes from the outright outlandish score that resembles that of an average college basketball game. I don't know it's not really based in logic but more of a gut feeling.
GTripp0012
12-30-2011, 02:44 AM
Well, yeah, but that's the Washington defense for ya. Texas covered a lot better than that, and TCU is a very good defense, and he put 40 plus on both of them.
Baylor would have been a high powered offense no matter who their QB was this year, but Griffin did unbelievable things all season. This was not his best throwing game. He made a ton of difficult throws, and was a bit off on the ball location. But boy can he throw the touch pass well. If he's going to complete 4 out of every 6 passes that he really doesn't lay in there perfectly (as he did in this game), that profiles excellently at the next level.
GTripp0012
12-30-2011, 02:46 AM
Ironically part of my reservation comes from the outright outlandish score that resembles that of an average college basketball game. I don't know it's not really based in logic but more of a gut feeling.Oh, because they don't play defense. Yeah, that actually is kind of gimmicky.
30gut
12-30-2011, 05:37 AM
Anyone else wondering if RG3 is destined to be a bust after this game?Nope.
Why would anyone wonder that after this game?
I mean, not that I didn't notice it before but that offense is so gimicky.I thought we were evaluating Griffin's skillset not Baylor's offense.
Either way I don't see how Baylor's offense is anymore 'gimicky' then any other collegiate offense spread or non-spread all offenses scheme to get their primary receiver open in the first progression read.
Look at Stanford for example they use power running formations and play-action with a lot of motions and shifts to get favorable match-ups that favor their personnel (TEs).
Consequently Luck is often throwing to a wide open Fleener.
Ditto:Barkley, Weeden etc...
This game re-affirmed what I've been seeing all season:
o a playmaking QB; comfortable in the face of pressure and has the ability to extend the play with ease
o ability to pick up yards running
o can make throws on the run going right or left
o above average velocity and above average distance throwing deep
o can throw from different angles
o solid decision maker
....etc