BDBohnzie
01-25-2005, 11:57 AM
honestly, I'd rather have Vanderdrunk over Hall...however, as SC has pointed out, i wouldn't take the cap hit for it...
Career Percentage by Distance
1-19 yards
Vanderjagt: 100% (5-5)
Hall: 100% (3-3)
20-29 yards
Vanderjagt: 97% (61-63)
Hall: 95% (58-61)
30-39 yards
Vanderjagt: 92% (56-61)
Hall: 79% (67-85)
INSIDE 40
Vanderjagt: 95% (122-129)
Hall: 86% (128-149)
40-49 yards
Vanderjagt: 79% (58-73)
Hall: 58% (41-71)
50+ yards
Vanderjagt: 67% (14-21)
Hall: 48% (13-27)
People may knock Vanderjagt because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, but to compare him to Hall & Chandler...it isnt even close...
check the stats...the return average for both kickers is identical...and for those who contest Vanderjagt's leg...he's got one more over 50 with 6 fewer attempts than Hall...
what would you rather have, a highly accurate kicker who doesn't kick off, or a decent kicker that can boom kickoffs...
skinsfanthru&thru
01-25-2005, 12:13 PM
honestly, I'd rather have Vanderdrunk over Hall...however, as SC has pointed out, i wouldn't take the cap hit for it...
Career Percentage by Distance
1-19 yards
Vanderjagt: 100% (5-5)
Hall: 100% (3-3)
20-29 yards
Vanderjagt: 97% (61-63)
Hall: 95% (58-61)
30-39 yards
Vanderjagt: 92% (56-61)
Hall: 79% (67-85)
INSIDE 40
Vanderjagt: 95% (122-129)
Hall: 86% (128-149)
40-49 yards
Vanderjagt: 79% (58-73)
Hall: 58% (41-71)
50+ yards
Vanderjagt: 67% (14-21)
Hall: 48% (13-27)
People may knock Vanderjagt because he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut, but to compare him to Hall & Chandler...it isnt even close...
check the stats...the return average for both kickers is identical...and for those who contest Vanderjagt's leg...he's got one more over 50 with 6 fewer attempts than Hall...
what would you rather have, a highly accurate kicker who doesn't kick off, or a decent kicker that can boom kickoffs...
but like someone posted before, Vande automatically kicks 8 games a year indoors while Hall has always played for outdoor teams. anyone know of a site that might show outdoor vs indoor stats cuz that'd be the more telling stat. plus the only kicker I'd probably pay more than 2-3 million too would be Adam Vin. of the pats. cuz dude is always money in big situations.
I'm not denying Vandy is clearly the better kicker, hell he's one of the best of all-time.
Hall reminds me a lot of Chip Lohmiller. Cannon of a leg, not as accurate as you'd like him to be but can still get the job done. Hall also had the pleasure of kicking 8 games a year in the swirling winds of Giants stadium, not exactly a kicker's paradise.
TheMalcolmConnection
01-25-2005, 03:29 PM
I'd have to say that the kicking game is the least of our worries.
sportscurmudgeon
01-25-2005, 03:55 PM
Ramseyfan:
I was not trying to hedge my bet here so let me be as clear as I can.
I do NOT want the Skins to pursue Vanderjagt. That is not because I think the Skins' kicking game is great - it is decent but not much better than that - but because Vanderjagt will command a big price and I do not think the Skins should allocate resorces there.
I was responding to someone who said that Hall and Chandler gave the skins a solid kicking game. With Hall's injury the Skins kicking game was really mediocre. In fact, Gibbs had to defer on a long field goal attempt in a late season game because he kinda felt like Chandler wasn't gonna get it to the goal posts on three bounces.
Can the kicking game be improved? You bet. Can it be improved without spending a lot of money on it? Not likely. Should that "additional money" be spent on other parts of the team? Definitely.
Summary:
Kicking game could be better.
Vanderjagt would make it better
Likely cost for Vanderjagt is higher than the Skins should pay.
TheMalcolmConnection
01-25-2005, 04:05 PM
Most definitely. Just like you say, the money could be spent to address other, more important, areas.
The kicking game with Hall is fine, let's move on. :)
BDBohnzie
01-26-2005, 12:42 PM
Vanderjagt 2004 Indoor v. Outdoor
Indoor - 12/15 (80%)
Outdoor - 8/10 (80%)
Vanderjagt 2003 Indoor v. Outdoor
Indoor - 19/19 (100%)
Outdoor - 18/18 (100%)
Hall 2003 Indoor v. Outdoor
Indoor - 1/2 (50%)
Outdoor - 24/31 (77%)
Guys like Jason Hanson, Vinatieri, and Vanderjagt are just flat out great kickers, and it doesn't matter where they kick, they produce results. Hall has never been the most accurate kicker...
but, as others have stated...the money can be better spent elsewhere...i wouldn't say the kicking game is fine, but adequate enough to get through the season.
rdsknfn2003
01-26-2005, 04:32 PM
Oh let vandy go to the niners thats who needs a kicker. lol