Report: Fred Davis, Trent Williams suspended four games

Did Dexter Manley, Tony Peters, and more reflect poor leadership on the part of Gibbs?

Did Lawrence Taylor and Quincy Carter reflect poor leadership on the part of Parcells?

Did Santonio Holmes reflect poor leadership on the part of Tomlin?

These guys have to be held accountable for their own actions, I don't see how any one but Davis and Williams are responsible.

Yes to all IMO. These players, especially in the case of Fred and Trent, are just kids and I think we (older folks) tend to forget that. More importantly, no franchise is locked in to drafting any particular player, so I think when a franchise chooses a particular player they acknowledge past history etc. For example: Trent's problematic history was well known if memory serves as opposed to the other top LT Okung.

We'll just agree to disagree on this I guess

Did Lawrence Taylor reflect poor leadership on the part of Parcells?


These guys have to be held accountable for their own actions, I don't see how any one but Davis and Williams are responsible.

SS, 125% right that they are acountable for their own actions!!!
Yet I disagree with you about LT,I beleive Parcells knew of LT's problems ..if not him others did.The ownership did not.Look I'm a real old time fan to the point of pissing off all the newbies that think LT is a running back for the Jets.After his las inccident I called the Giants officies and said he should be removed from the Giants"ring of Fame"....I also blame ..us the fans ....we want our teams to win at any price and when they get caught doing something wrong,we act holyer then though.I want the Giants to win but I want it done right ...to me if it means we don't make the playoffs ok then we need better people finding the better people.Yes I'm part of the problem.

Yes to all IMO. These players, especially in the case of Fred and Trent, are just kids and I think we (older folks) tend to forget that. More importantly, no franchise is locked in to drafting any particular player, so I think when a franchise chooses a particular player they acknowledge past history etc. For example: Trent's problematic history was well known if memory serves as opposed to the other top LT Okung.

As one of Fred and Trent's generation, I may only speak for myself but I know I wouldn't be doing jack shit today if I had the personal accountability of those two. Unless they are the biggest idiots this side of the Mississippi, they had to know positive drug tests lead to suspensions. The fact that they kept doing it after the 2nd positive test indicates they really didn't give a shit. How hard is it to understand? Don't do drugs, and the odds are good that you can keep making serious bank at this point in your young career. Is a dimebag worth more than a contract of millions?

I agree with you on personal responsibility. Maybe I should have said it like this: along with a lot of uninspired performances, suspect game/clock management and a string of bad decisions at QB I wonder if this drug issue might (also) reflect leadership issues.

I agree with you on personal responsibility. Maybe I should have said it like this: along with a lot of uninspired performances, suspect game/clock management and a string of bad decisions at QB I wonder if this drug issue might (also) reflect leadership issues.

Apples and oranges.

Yes to all IMO. These players, especially in the case of Fred and Trent, are just kids and I think we (older folks) tend to forget that. More importantly, no franchise is locked in to drafting any particular player, so I think when a franchise chooses a particular player they acknowledge past history etc. For example: Trent's problematic history was well known if memory serves as opposed to the other top LT Okung.

Young or old makes no difference other then to say they are immature. Many a people join the military while young and most don't smoke weed. The ones that do get kicked out. Simple. Your either mature enough to know what not to do in order to keep you lively hood or you don't. Besides there are plenty of other "legal" ways to escape reality.....ie; beer, wine, liquor. There's no need to jeapordize your monitary income. Unless you really don't care about earning a nice living as they are.

Young or old makes no difference other then to say they are immature. Many a people join the military while young and most don't smoke weed. The ones that do get kicked out. Simple. Your either mature enough to know what not to do in order to keep you lively hood or you don't. Besides there are plenty of other "legal" ways to escape reality.....ie; beer, wine, liquor. There's no need to jeapordize your monitary income. Unless you really don't care about earning a nice living as they are.

"Whatevs. I still gots all that nice booster money I made back in college. I'm riiiiiich, biiiiiiatch."

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I agree with Smoot, you can't pin this on leadership (owner, GM, or Head Coach). This squarely comes down to a person doing the right thing instead of putting their career in jeopardy.


You have some idiot fans on other forums suggesting the Redskins hire a professional baby sitter to follow these guys around making sure they stay on the up and up. Really? How'd that work out for Dallas and Pacman? If you need to have a babysitter to follow a player around, you don't need him on your team and probably shouldn't be trusted to play in games either.

The Nationals had pretty good success with the "babysitter" approach with Elijah Dukes. I actually think for TW it might be something to consider because of all the $ they have sunk into him and LTs are tough to get. Not for Davis though. TEs are a dime a dozen and he's easily replaceable.

You guys know what's scary? There are much harder recreational drugs out there that leave your system much faster than weed. I know people in the military that absolutely stay away from weed because of the random pop tests, but will roll (E) their asses off on a Saturday night. You don't think NFL players know that yay leaves their system in a day or two?

But fans only care when the punishments affect their team. Nobody really gives a hoot if one our of players are going Tony Montana one evening... because chances are, we're never going to find out.