Grossman, Beck or-ton?

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VTSkins1961
11-23-2011, 06:45 AM
Sign Orton, cut Beck. Play Grossman this year. Get Orton ready for next year. Draft 1 or 2 QB's next year.

skinsfan69
11-23-2011, 07:11 AM
Orton and Grossman are basically the same guy. No thanks.

rypper11
11-23-2011, 07:32 AM
I hear what you are saying but that was really Grossman's first truly pitiful game as a skin. Tom Brady this year has had some games where he has looked absolutley like dog shit, and one or two games where he has thrown 4 interceptions, and nobody benched him. Sure i know its Tom Brady but I didn't think the skins were fair to Rex by benching him after his first truly poor game, for a guy who basically tanked our season.
Preach. As I've said repeatedly, Grossman is an average QB but so are the majority of qb's in the league. There's Brady, Rodgers, Brees then 25 qb's all relatively close (including Grossman). Then there's the bad including Tavaris Jackson, McNabb, Whitehurst, etc. Then, way farther down the list, you have the Becks and Palko's though Palko might move up to bad.

mlmpetert
11-23-2011, 08:19 AM
It tells me two things.....

1- Cutler couldn't get along with the HC and apparently not able to perform in the system

and

2- Orton has not been able to perform in the system after being traded for Cutler.

Lastly, Tebow the next best thing since sliced bread, the QB a ton of fans here wanted the Skins to pick, can't seem to work well in the system.

Basically the system sucks. But thats Denvers problem. Our problem is Grossman is simply an average QB, Beck is below average, and Orton is better then both. I too want a QB out of the draft and recently have been thinking maybe a 1st round QB and maybe a later round QB. That way we have two and one should work out and both would be young. Unless Crompton is actually better and more accurate then our current starters then he can stick around long enough to play in Preseason.

I don't think you know the history. Mcdanials came in and basically pushed Cutler out by going after matt casel. Orton came over from the trade w cutler and actually did pretty well in mcdanials system. Mcdanials gets fired after 2 years because not only does he make a massive mistake in losing cutler he also f-ups by changing the d-fense to a 3-4 while simultaneouly impelmenting a new offense (sound familiar). Too much to fast, and it results in a 3 win second season. John fox comes to town and implements a new offense which orton fails to do well it, so tebow enters after fans erect bilboards telling fox to give him a shot (never underestimate crazy fans). Tebow is a winner, but fox also was smart enough to change the system slightly to better fix tebow. Also fox changes defense back to a 4-3 base and now has one of the best defenses in the nfl. Then yesterday orton gets released after requesting to be.

MTK
11-23-2011, 08:55 AM
Grossman would have lit up the Bills by the way as Beck couldn't muster a point. I hope I do get banned again, you're all idiots that have no idea what a good quarterback is, Rex is the best quarterback this team has had in the last 20 years and he gets benched for Beck. I've been a Redskins fan for 18 years but it's obvious that they really are the laughing stock of the league, just pitiful and sad.

lol you obviously don't know what a good QB is either.

Tell me what about these career numbers say anything "good" about him?

Rex Grossman, QB for the Washington Redskins at NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/player/rexgrossman/2505623/profile)

If you want to be banned I'm happy to grant your wish.

SBXVII
11-23-2011, 09:06 AM
Sign Orton, cut Beck. Play Grossman this year. Get Orton ready for next year. Draft 1 or 2 QB's next year.

This would be my game plan. I know we have many needs but I'd still take a 1st round QB and late round QB.

SBXVII
11-23-2011, 09:09 AM
Orton and Grossman are basically the same guy. No thanks.

And you are correct but Orton has a better TD/INT ratio. Ya gotta go with the better one.

MTK
11-23-2011, 09:21 AM
I'm kinda torn on this. I was in favor of trading for him prior to the season, but this late in the game and with the playoffs out of reach, I don't see the point now.

mlmpetert
11-23-2011, 09:40 AM
My thoughts are that Orton is better than Grossman. Grossman may have a better arm but has poor decision making. In our offensive i think better decision making is more important than a better arm.

We have a lot of uncertainty at the QB position next year. Grossman is a FA. We will likely be drafting a QB very high or trading a lot of picks for one. Beck will be gone. I dont even know who are PS QB is, but if Beck is still the second stringer at this point in the season i know the coaches dont have any faith in him. Even if we get Luck or RG3 at the bare minimum we need a second string QB next year, and having a vet that knows the offense would be a lot better in the development of a young guy.

Orton is a FA too, so I look at the reason we should try and get him is as a insurance policy. If he plays better then Grossman in our system then great, hopefully we can sign him to a contract and our roster is better, even if just depth. If he doesn’t then cool hes a FA and we get a supplemental pick when he signs with another team. Same thing with Grossman. Hopefully we would be able to keep one and hopefully it would be the better one. If not at least we will get 2 supplemental draft picks instead of just one.

Its real tough to get a decent FA QB right after we sign a 1st round draft pick, make a big trade for a guy or sign a big FA name like Matt Flynn. Having two chances to sign a decent guy that has familiarity with the offense but is basically conceding to the backup role is better than just one chance. And if neither work out at least we get something for our efforts and danny’s 2.5 million (money that doesn’t affect the future cap that Danny spends means absolutely nothing to me).

skinsfaninok
11-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Adam S. "The redskins, dolphins and chiefs are all interested in Orton"

Just now on SC

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