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Ruhskins 10-31-2011, 02:25 PM I'll bet the teams that appear to be turning the corner haven't neglected their offensive lines for more than a decade. San Fran spent two first round choices on interior linemen a year or so ago. Remember, before Trent Williams, there were ZERO O-linemen selected in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels. We're seeing the results. Allen and Shanahan just haven't had enough drafts to assemble the line they really want.
San Francisco and Carolina have put a lot of resources into their respective offensive lines. People forget that Carolina has Ryan Kalil (sp?) at center and Jordan Gross at LT, those are two good foundations for an offensive line. I don't think the offensive line has been neglected, but there seems to be a steep drop off once you get to the back ups.
Lotus 10-31-2011, 02:32 PM San Francisco and Carolina have put a lot of resources into their respective offensive lines. People forget that Carolina has Ryan Kalil (sp?) at center and Jordan Gross at LT, those are two good foundations for an offensive line. I don't think the offensive line has been neglected, but there seems to be a steep drop off once you get to the back ups.
Agreed. But on the bright side, that is improvement...not long ago we had backups as starters.
GMScud 10-31-2011, 02:41 PM Agreed. But on the bright side, that is improvement...not long ago we had backups as starters.
By not long ago do you mean yesterday?
Lotus 10-31-2011, 02:45 PM By not long ago do you mean yesterday?
I didn't mean through injury replacements, I meant as a matter of course.
over the mountain 10-31-2011, 02:57 PM chester, lich, montgomery, williams and brown seems like the best opening day line weve had in a long time.
i feel like weve done a good job revamping the O line the past 2 years. perhaps none are top tier talent but they are all seemingly solid starters imo. i guess we could use some upper end talent
i just dont feel like our O line needs that much more attention. were just really banged up right now.
GTripp0012 10-31-2011, 03:03 PM Can't call for a youth movement and then lament letting someone like Hicks go.Agree. The decision to get rid of a washed up player like Artis Hicks is not what is ailing this team right now.
skinsfan69 10-31-2011, 03:11 PM chester, lich, montgomery, williams and brown seems like the best opening day line weve had in a long time.
i feel like weve done a good job revamping the O line the past 2 years. perhaps none are top tier talent but they are all seemingly solid starters imo. i guess we could use some upper end talent
i just dont feel like our O line needs that much more attention. were just really banged up right now.
They've done a good job getting new bodies but that's about it. Anyone can sign bodies. Jamal Brown is pure garbage at RT. Not sure if he's more comfortable over on the left side but he can't play RT. So the Brown experiment over on the right side hasn't panned out at all. Fail. Also Chester isn't any good either. Who's idea was it to sign him???? Fail! The right side needs an overhaul!
SirClintonPortis 10-31-2011, 03:14 PM We ought to try and model player's return to us in dollar terms. Hicks would net us about 10 bucks for one or two more years. Only problem is, we need one thousand dollars coming from our linemen. Rookies might do worse than his 10 bucks, but they can do much better. And in the NFL, if you don't at least try to win big with your roster moves, you won't win at all.
over the mountain 10-31-2011, 03:20 PM i wouldnt write off chester yet. it seems we did sign him for a few mil more than he is probably worth but i think we are much better off with him compared to the other options. i dont think the 4 or 5 yr 21 mil deal will hinder us from upgrading the team or making other personnel moves.
with brown, after trent went down the talk was about how with browns leg injury he would be alot better off on the left side because he wouldnt have to anchor on his bad leg like he does on the right side and that he sounded excited and optimistic about his play stepping up on the left side vs the right . . . then our coaching staff keep him on the right side . . i would like to see brown move over to the left just to see if there is any truth to the notion he wont have to use his bad leg as much . .who knows maybe even a mental placebo effect might happen where brown plays better on the left b/c he thinks he can play better on the left.
hes always thought and consider himself a left tackle, thats why he got traded from the saints, they wanted him to play RT and be paid like a RT, he thought otherwise.
idk i was watching the game with no audio on a 1 foot by 1 foot tv yesterday but chester was doing well the first couple games when we ran the stretch, he was using his feet and getting into the second level like he is supposed to . .just no dang holes at all the last couple of weeks. 29 rushing yds, with the qb getting half of those is bad.
That Guy 10-31-2011, 03:28 PM How much OL depth do teams really have? I you lose two starters and it's pretty inevitable you're going to have some start some playing some retreads or inexperienced guys.
phi normally keeps 10 and has 8 that can start without giving up 9 sacks.
we were short 3 backups coming into the season. cook and locklear are the only backups we really have, and they're fairly low tier #2s. Ideally brown would be our 6th OL and not starting, and chester wouldn't be starting either.
I was shocked we didn't sign anyone good in the offseason (if anyone cares to check). If we got a new RG/RT and pushed those two to backupp status, we'd still need another backup OG and an upgrade to cook.
You can get by with average WRs and a decent QB if the line is good. 9 sacks and 30 yards rushing or whatever it was is beyond pathetic though.
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