There goes the neighborhood - Tunisia Edition

Efff any hypocriyte analogy right in the a$$.
I really dont give a flying fox.
As far as I'm concerned the Muslim idiots have made the situation what it is by fighting outside of a govt and outside of a uniform.
Oh and eff them in the a$$ too.

Efff any hypocriyte analogy right in the a$$.
I really dont give a flying fox.
As far as I'm concerned the Muslim idiots have made the situation what it is by fighting outside of a govt and outside of a uniform.
Oh and eff them in the a$$ too.


Of course you don't care, you aren't the one being bombed. That's the problem with humanity. It's amazing how one changes their views when the tables are turned on themselves.

Because you are hugging the tree so hard you are missing the point.
This is still a war. A very unconventional one but still a war. And it is extremely complicated.
You dont win a war by avoiding the hypocrisy tag. You win by killing them.

Do you know a better way to combat a non-govt and non uniformed aggressor?

Should we all go home and sing Kumbaya by the fire instead?

Should we all go home and sing Kumbaya by the fire instead?


No. We should pack up, and get the **** out of other people's country that we have no business being in. We are there for the resources, not to spread democracy and fight for the good guys. If that were the case, we would have intervened a long time ago in South Africa.

Again, failed foreign policies have led to these conflicts. Mind your business, stay the hell out of people's country and protect our borders.

Thanks for the information that we justify killing thousands of innocent civilians just because they're located in the wrong part of the world. And not to help take down a brutal dictator. And that we shoot everything in sight when we do so.

It's not the people killing over a movie they don't like, that are the problem. We are the problem.

If we accept the random killing, ethnic cleansing, driving people of a certain religion out of their homes, and burning of churches, is our fault, things will be better. We'll be in better standing and safety......... "abusive husbands" syndrome indeed.


congrats on misreading this thread and missing the point.

Taking down brutal dictators or those that target americans isn't something i'm against. it's the willingness to flush thousands of non combatants in the crossfire that i'm seeing in these threads thats the issue. the only point i've been making is that killing the wrong people doesn't help anyone.

we did that in vietnam, and it didn't help us there. it's happened quite a bit in iraq and afghanistan and it just makes it harder to "win" or accomplish the mission or whatever when you say "hey, we're here to help" right before you blow up the wrong town.

the "wars" or conflicts or whatever you want to call them against non nation states requires a LOT of intel and discipline in targetting or you end up taking two steps foward and three steps back. which just lets you pile up bodies and further bad will. fighting to fight is nice and all, but if you're not moving towards the end game, you're losing.

again, my point is simply that going in and killing whoever "just cause" doesn't work or help us in the long run. trust me, it's been done. and it has nothing to do with hugging trees.

congrats on misreading this thread and missing the point.

Taking down brutal dictators or those that target americans isn't something i'm against. it's the willingness to flush thousands of non combatants in the crossfire that i'm seeing in these threads thats the issue. the only point i've been making is that killing the wrong people doesn't help anyone.

we did that in vietnam, and it didn't help us there. it's happened quite a bit in iraq and afghanistan and it just makes it harder to "win" or accomplish the mission or whatever when you say "hey, we're here to help" right before you blow up the wrong town.

the "wars" or conflicts or whatever you want to call them against non nation states requires a LOT of intel and discipline in targetting or you end up taking two steps foward and three steps back. which just lets you pile up bodies and further bad will. fighting to fight is nice and all, but if you're not moving towards the end game, you're losing.

again, my point is simply that going in and killing whoever "just cause" doesn't work or help us in the long run. trust me, it's been done. and it has nothing to do with hugging trees.Are you even responding to my posts? Where did I express a willingness to flush thousands of non combatants in the crossfire, or not to care about killing "the wrong people"? Why insult me accusing me of "misreading the thread", when you make a reply to me not addressing anything I said? :doh:

You said we deliberately killed people for being in the wrong place, that we shoot everything in sight. I pointed out those premises are faulty. And that you misapplied the "abusive husbands" situation in excusing a mobs reaction to violence. Feel free to try defending your strawmen now, if you want. But please don't accuse me of missing the point of the thread when you don't even address the point you reply to.

So what is this latest post of yours about? Lots of intel and discipline are needed to fight non-nation states? We actually tried that in vietnam, iraq, and afghanistan. So I'm not really sure what or who you're arguing against. We've gotten better at it through the years. Not because we're more virtuous people percentage-wise now than before, but from experience and tech. Yet we still hit the wrong house, the wrong people on occasion. Do you think we as a people, or whole armed forces, do it deliberately? Do you think that real life weapons and people have become perfect like some video game? Or do you realize you're arguing for more of the same?

PS. Look at reports of drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. High resolution cameras are no more accurate at picking out who's who than eyes of people on the ground. With drones, we've just decided we can shoot without getting local confirmation. This has had mixed results, we can shoot at people we think are the bad guys more quickly, but we're still also hitting "the wrong people" you cite.

wow fail. I'm probably not going to bother, because you're still arguing things i'm not saying and misreading things i am. i also don't know how "in these threads" means you and you alone.

and yes, buring down entire villages in vietnam was definitely what i'd call disciplined targetting. it's intel on the ground. we had it for the russians, but not for the ME, and it's still probably lacking.

and yes, i think we deliberately kill civillians :P (/sarcasm) statements/questions like that just prove why this is a waste of time. are you trolling or do you just have it all figured out?

wow fail. I'm probably not going to bother, because you're still arguing things i'm not saying and misreading things i am. i also don't know how "in these threads" means you and you alone.

and yes, buring down entire villages in vietnam was definitely what i'd call disciplined targetting. it's intel on the ground. we had it for the russians, but not for the ME, and it's still probably lacking.

and yes, i think we deliberately kill civillians :P (/sarcasm) statements/questions like that just prove why this is a waste of time. are you trolling or do you just have it all figured out?No, if you're going to reply to mine or anyone posts, you ought to at least respond to the post you're replying to, in addition to whoever else you want. (You can also use the "quick reply" at the bottom of each page, if you can't decide who you're actually replying to.)

This is your post I was replying to originally, BTW.
and once again, i'm sure the people you advocate accidently killing wouldn't possibly mis-direct their hate at the americans that are actually killing them instead of the terrorists that "made them do it".

that's the same excuse abusive husbands use.

this thread seems to be going in circles, but i personally don't think there's justification to kill thousands of innocent civillians just because they're located in the wrong part of the world, and i don't think that kind of work helps our standing or safety in any way. we should go after the bad guys, but not by shooting everything in sight.

I say again, your premise is faulty, and the "abusive husband" comment is more approprate towards the attitude of excusing the mob violence, than justifying it. You want to discuss that, feel free.

If you were just trolling, or didn't mean a word you said in that post, fine. If not, you're backpedaling faster than D.Hall trying to cover a WR that just juked him.

On what we're discussing since, did you see what we did to Fallujah? Think we didn't have intel on the ground in Vietnam, and the other places we've mentioned? You're aren't advocating us doing anything different than what we've been doing. Just calling it "lacking" is about the same as sitting at home watching our D play, and the only criticism you have is that they should play "better" without saying why or what. Unless you really meant what you said in your post I quoted, in which case... well I answered that already.