What's your take on our coaching?

I was going to start a new thread on this but now I dont feel like putting in the effort.Most of the bitching on this thread has been about the Shanahans,but what about Haslet?
Last yr the skins & texans were 2 of the worst if not the worst defenses in football.Skins had switched to 3-4 as we all know and it didnt work out well.
This yr the texans switch to a 3-4 with a new coach and no offseason to work on it.Theyre number 1 in the nfl on defense without their star player Mario Williams.So in less than a season Wade phillips has turned that defense around and we still suck.
Do you think its coaching? I dont see a big talent difference in the 2 teams.Or is it our offense sucks so ****ing bad the defense is not getting enough rest?

Defensively though, I think the greatest myth in Skins history is this absurd notion Shanny/Haslett have improved the defense. It's...just...effing...absurd. The average defensive units in the Williams/Blache era would have held the Dolphins to less than ten points today. I understand new fans, as in those who just "followed" Mike the Rat to DC, as believing the defense is improved. Certainly our avg at best defense (this year) is better than worst in the league (last year), so again I understand the mistake from a new fan. But for anyone who's watched this team since about '04...c'mon people denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I soooooooo miss the Williams/Blache days of run stuffing, contain defense. With a legit FS and QB we would have been elite. Eff Shanny for setting the defense back so far.

Something I posted in the last smackdown thread. Yep Haslett is certainly part of the coaching (disaster), but still the decision to switch to a 4-3 which required a huge draft/FA investment was totally on Mike I believe.

Haslett is who he is...a motivator but not a smart or talented coach. Problem is now he's not able to consistently motivate his squad because the overall leadership situation is a quagmire.

No real surprise about the Texans though right? Shanny owes his championships to Wade as much as Elway, Davis, Sharp, Romanowski etc.

Me and my dad were talking last night and he thought if we are at a top 5 pick next year shannahan will be gone and he thinks Gruden will be our coach due to the fact he has worked with Allen before in Tampa.

Would love this scenario! I trust Allen more as our personnel guru than Shanny so we could have a more traditional FO structure w/ Gruden in here to coach/motivate.

And as GTripp has wisely argued do we really want a lame duck coach (Mike) involved in the next draft w/ so many picks at stake?

Would love this scenario! I trust Allen more as our personnel guru than Shanny so we could have a more traditional FO structure w/ Gruden in here to coach/motivate.

And as GTripp has wisely argued do we really want a lame duck coach (Mike) involved in the next draft w/ so many picks at stake?

Oh geez, Gruden gobbled up quarterbacks faster than Albert Haynesworth at a burger stop and NONE of them panned out. Simms' injury might have been beyond his control, but still. At least Shanahan has Cutler as a super success.

Oh geez, Gruden gobbled up quarterbacks faster than Albert Haynesworth at a burger stop and NONE of them panned out. Simms' injury might have been beyond his control, but still. At least Shanahan has Cutler as a super success.

Truth you speak but I don't remember Gruden having any legit talent to work w/ at QB either...maybe I'm wrong?

And I would also say Cutler is better w/o Mike.

Truth you speak but I don't remember Gruden having any legit talent to work w/ at QB either...maybe I'm wrong?

And I would also say Cutler is better w/o Mike.
Well, you are correct, Simms was their only high draft pick, and he was only a third rounder. He rolled with Garcia and Griese, two guys who developed elsewhere. Still, Gruden probably has a more undeserved reputation as some QB guru than Shanahan.

I'm sure Cutler is dreaming of 2008. Throwing to Marshall. 4500+ yard season. Only 13 sacks instead of the 30+ behind the Bears' Oline.

Truth you speak but I don't remember Gruden having any legit talent to work w/ at QB either...maybe I'm wrong?

And I would also say Cutler is better w/o Mike.

As I recall Gruden was not a good QB evaluator while in Tampa Bay, he had Griese, Simms, tried to get Plummer, I believe Jeff Garcia was there too and they all sucked. I think he had 7 QB during pre-season that year.

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.Well put. I wouldn't say playoffs or "off with their heads", but there needs to be a significant (4+ Win) improvement next year.

Thus far coaching has been trash but so has the qb play, the oline, the d-line when it matters, the secondary. If there is no improvements next year which results in a playoff appearance I would fire Mike and son.

I would expect a 9-7 or 8-8 from us next year providing we get a good rookie QB. We have to revamp everything Saden, and I mean everything, even finish sorting out the WR corp for the future. Secondary and the LB corps are a mess. We need 3-4 OLs for at least depth. Just too many gaps yet to fill to make this a really solid squad.

Well put. I wouldn't say playoffs or "off with their heads", but there needs to be a significant (4+ Win) improvement next year.

When Shanahan was hired I said he was a mediocre coach except for one or two exceptional regular seasons the last ten years. I remember Gibbs delivered his second year with what he had, which wasn't much. I don't think we should lower our expectations in the third year because if he can't succeed by then chances are he won't succeed in the 4th year.


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