What's your take on our coaching?

Kyle drives me nuts. To be sure, he is an excellent designer of pass plays and seems to always get someone open. But his playcalling, especially in the red zone, is suspect. And his game planning seems dim. This team needs to run to win, especially against poor run defenses, but Kyle appears to be unaware of this, just as he seemed unaware of the run when he was in Houston.

Mike has brought us a professionalism which was sorely lacking before and I appreciate it. But he lacks the necessary professional relationship with his offensive coordinator. When it is time to tweak things, does he undertake the actions appropriate for a head coach? And if/when it is time to find a new OC, will Mike recognize this and follow through appropriately?

I still have faith in Mike. I like what he has done with this team in his first two years, he took over an incredibly bad team without any depth and has turned the defense into a force to be reckoned with. The issue I am thinking more and more is Kyle. The play calling was just horrendous yesterday. My god we were playing Philly and he somehow allowed Rex Grossman to be the focal point of our offense? I was begging for a quick hit passing game and a running/screen game...what did we get? Too many down the field throws and a flea flicker that fooled 0 DBs and was bailed out by an amazing catch by Gaffney.

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

MS took over a crappy organization. He's had 1 full year. It's pretty clear that our QB of the future is not on our roster. I'm pretty positive the coaches know this. We're going to need a couple more drafts to start seeing some real results although we got off to a good start this year. Cut them a little slack. Impatience is what has ruined our team over the last 15 years.

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. BUT...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?

He obviously knows he doesnt really have a QB, his WRs are not much to brag about, and his O line stinks. He has his system and he's trying to install it as SOP for the team while the talent that can run his system is brought in.

IMO it was the same with Hazlette last year. Everyone was screaming that he's an idiot who should know he doesnt have the talent to run his D and should switch but guess what, he got some talent and now his D looks pretty good. Its gonna be the same for Kyle. He's got very little talent now but will keep getting more and as that happens and the team gets used to his system things will improve.

my take? Kyle blows get a real play caller

My take is they were idiotic for not maintaining control over what Rex was doing. He was just chucking it down field for the sake of chucking it and that's just not how you play the position. Kyle's playcalling was awful and they never managed to make an adjustment on offense until it was too late.

I give them an F for looking like complete fools.

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.


On top of that he also to work with the few draft pics we had.

On top of that he also to work with the few draft pics we had.

Its really tough to get rid of roster rot without draft picks.

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. BUT...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?

How would you have called the game then?

Should Beck play well, I wonder if anyone will then credit Kyle. I think his flaw is not in designing the plays, but picking the right spots to call them. Mike is definitely involved though, he's not sitting there without giving any input.