GTripp0012
10-31-2011, 03:24 PM
Totally 100% disagree here. Why are you so down on Torain????? I think he's proven that when he has some daylight he can break tackles and make yardage. We've seen him do it. Yesterday there was simply nowhere to run.I can't apply this to yesterday's game, but the eye in the sky says otherwise. Torain runs to early contact because he doesn't see where the lane is. He does worse with the blocking he gets than most RBs do.
I've seen him do it, but only against awful run defenses (with one exception: the 2010 Chicago Bears, best game of his career). What has Torain ever done to the Cowboys or the Giants on the ground?
Helu didn't get a rushing yard yesterday. Until we're going to let our best runner touch the football, we can't say we're not talented. This is a problem Kyle had in Houston as well, difference being, he could evade criticism by ignoring the running game. Here, he cant get away with that.
Chico23231
10-31-2011, 03:27 PM
Funny how we lose Hightower and now have no running game. Guy was huge for us.
Ruhskins
10-31-2011, 03:42 PM
Funny how we lose Hightower and now have no running game. Guy was huge for us.
We haven't had much of a running game since the Giants game...except maybe the Rams game.
GMScud
10-31-2011, 03:47 PM
We haven't had much of a running game since the Giants game...except maybe the Rams game.
We were running it down Carolina's throat the entire first half until Hightower went down.
GTripp0012
10-31-2011, 03:57 PM
Hey, remember the Spurrier era? The worst head coach in team history?
The Redskins had better offenses and better teams under Spurrier in both years than Mike Shanahan has.
So I'm pretty shocked that 71% of us don't think his seat should be getting hot.
Lotus
10-31-2011, 04:01 PM
Part of having a running game is not ever allowing Ryan Torain to lead your team in carries. We're failing miserably at running not because we don't have the talent to do it, but because we're not committed to succeeding while running. We run just to say we did.
Now, we're committed to trying to make a passing "attack" out of our current personnel. Our bread and butter is the pass. But we're hilariously under-talented there. What we haven't committed to is bringing in players that would make the passing game click, instead opting for Donte Stallworth and John Beck.
That was my argument in several posts above. I tebow to your post.
GMScud
10-31-2011, 04:04 PM
Hey, remember the Spurrier era? The worst head coach in team history?
The Redskins had better offenses and better teams under Spurrier in both years than Mike Shanahan has.
So I'm pretty shocked that 71% of us don't think his seat should be getting hot.
I agree. I like a few of the individual pieces that Shanny has added to the team (Kerrigan, Trent Williams to name a few), but the overall team performance has been pretty dismal. Plus he's wiffed BIG time with his QB decisions. Doesn't speak very well of you as a HC when you've bungled the most important position on the field numerous times in less than 2 full seasons.
I was never sold on Shanny coming here, and I'm even less sold now than I was the day he was hired. I know things take time and he wasn't coming into an ideal situation by any means, but he's not really doing a lot on a weekly basis to inspire any confidence moving forward. The last few weeks we haven't even looked competitive.
SmootSmack
10-31-2011, 04:10 PM
The Spurrier era was perhaps the biggest mess I've seen in all my years "in the biz". What's happening now really doesn't compare in my opinion.
Mike Shanahan wasn't my first choice, probably not even my second. But I think you don't quit on him. Not yet at least. I wish we had gotten a QB this past year. And maybe the lockout impacted that decision not to go for one. I mean I know it did, just don't know to what extent. However, I don't feel like Shanahan and Allen and co. are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs in lieu of getting a QB. We are making other personnel moves that I believe will benefit us once we get a QB...which hopefully will be in April 2012...unless Crompton's our guy! (that one's for Lotus)
12thMan
10-31-2011, 04:12 PM
I agree. I like a few of the individual pieces that Shanny has added to the team (Kerrigan, Trent Williams to name a few), but the overall team performance has been pretty dismal. Plus he's wiffed BIG time with his QB decisions. Doesn't speak very well of you as a HC when you've bungled the most important position on the field numerous times in less than 2 full seasons.
I was never sold on Shanny coming here, and I'm even less sold now than I was the day he was hired. I know things take time and he wasn't coming into an ideal situation by any means, but he's not really doing a lot on a weekly basis to inspire any confidence moving forward. The last few weeks we haven't even looked competitive.
Completely agree here. I was so hoping I was wrong (still do) about Shanny after the first few games, but he's missed it three times in a row regarding the QB position and deserves some major heat over his mishandling/mis-managing the position.
Unless John Beck provides a major spark and exceeds expectations, I don't know where the team goes from here.
sportscurmudgeon
10-31-2011, 04:34 PM
ALSO...can someone explain why there wasn't a no huddle offense? I swear if I were Snyder, and thank god I'm not, I'd walk in Redskin Park today and fire Kyle Shanahan.
EXCELLENT question! Remember how important it was for the QB to be able to hurry up and run the 2-minute offense? Remember how impressed the coaches were with John Beck and the tempo at which he played?
Here are three games in a row where the Redskins have been behind and there has been no semblance of a hurry-up offense. So what happened to the tempo?