What's your take on our coaching?

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GTripp0012
10-17-2011, 12:26 AM
My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

pg86
10-17-2011, 12:31 AM
My take is Wait until next week before u call the season dead....were still in this. 2 loses and we were supposed to be worst right now

Bucket
10-17-2011, 12:32 AM
But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.

The Goat
10-17-2011, 12:37 AM
It seems like the OP's take is more concerned with Mike the GM than Mike the coach.

Or is it Mike, Kyle and Bruce playing GM? Let me ask it another way: how many GM's would go into the season w/ Rex and John Beck as the only QBs on the roster? I think a lot of the predicament has to do w/ Kyle saying he can make Rex a significantly better QB than he's been up to this point in his career. Because of scheme. Because of play-calling. Well, Rex is who he's always been. Now we'll all find out who John Beck is...I hope we get lucky :)

GTripp0012
10-17-2011, 12:40 AM
Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

GTripp0012
10-17-2011, 12:42 AM
Or is it Mike, Kyle and Bruce playing GM? Let me ask it another way: how many GM's would go into the season w/ Rex and John Beck as the only QBs on the roster?Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

pg86
10-17-2011, 12:59 AM
Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.
Every time we ask that Mike basically dusts off his superbowl rings

Bucket
10-17-2011, 01:02 AM
If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

Out of those 5 games Grossman has played 5 maybe 6 good quarters of football. I think with Armstrong out and our lack of deep threat our offense has been getting exploited a bit, but this team right now is built to stay in football games and keep them close. It's been like that every game this season, and will continue to be but it doesn't exclude the fact that we wont win some/most of them.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "experiment fail". I saw a quarterback competition in the off season and Rex won that competition, but as many Redskin fans knew... This wasn't the last we would see of John Beck this year and I was one of them.

I think one of our main weaknesses that are being exploited right now is our ability to throw the football when teams stack the box against us, and turning the ball over. I remember watching the coaching show last week, and Mike Shanahan brought up a great point. Great teams will be in the playoffs with a +5-+10 turnover ratio. It's hard to be critical against our run defense today when the Eagles have been running all over everyone. MCcoy is one of the top 5 running backs in the league right now, and when you add in the best running QB of all time. They are going to move the football...

Only thing that blew up today was our lack of taking care of the football, and not being able to score on our opponents side of the field like we haven't been able to since I can remember. Still only losing by 7 may I remind you. Also, Redskins Nations fans ideas about how they think the team should be run, or what they know that the highly paid NFL coaches don't. If that was the case then half of our people here would be on the field with the headset right now.

The Eagles exploited Rex's lack of making a lot of throws/reads today. They took away his over the middle cushion and under route throws and it showed today.

-Missing two offensive lineman
-Missing your deep threat at WR
-Missing your starting RB
-Turn the ball over 4 times
-Make crucial penalties on 3rd and long, and 1st down
-Orakpo and Kerrigan's discipline or lack there of on defense

You're not going to win a lot of games this way. Shoot, I would go and say you most likely wont win against ANY team in the NFL playing this way.

So in my eyes, the fail today was the Redskins. Was their some coaching mistakes? Sure, there was on both sides of the football just like in almost every football game. To jump off the bridge and just call the Redskins a below .500 team when we are sitting a 3-2 is an opinionated statement because we have no idea what the limitations of this team are.

My opinion is they are a above .500 football team

That Guy
10-17-2011, 02:28 AM
look, we came into the season knowing we didn't have a QB worth a hill of beans and the OL was suspect (with absolute trash for depth), so it's not really surprising that our guys aren't playing like aaron rodgers.

I do think that running 14 times into a terrible run D is a playcalling issue, or a scheme one, and I'm not really sure what the D fixed at half time, but with 2 weeks to prepare, we shouldn't have given up 20 points before figuring out how to stop them. Our offense can't score that much, and I know that's unfair to the D, but that side of the ball is built better and they've invested more there. besides suspect CBs, it's solid, though we were lacking in pressure again for parts of this game.

anyways, I'm not really all that bummed about the lose, but about the embarrassing play that got us there. 4 INTS, we beat ourselves.

Dirtbag59
10-17-2011, 03:50 AM
Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

What are you talking about? Just because Shanahan works in DC doesn't mean he works for the government.

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