'Occupy' types

There is one thing I do disagree with when it comes to criticizing OWS. I think they are effective, in that we are talking about this and they are getting great media coverage. In terms of creating real and lasting change, that is yet to be seen but they clearly have an impact. That's why I think a lot of people think it's way too simplistic to just paint them as hippies who will never make any impact. (Just like it is too simplistic to paint the Tea Party as religious right wing nutjobs).

Like Lotus said, the movement reflects a general feeling of distrust and anger towards our government, which I think something members in the Right and Left share. OWS simply isn't going to go away based on police patrols and tear gas. As mentioned before, it would be interesting to see if they do start organizing a bit more in terms of concrete goals and measures.

I may just be repeating points in different ways, but I think it's wrong to say OWS is completely ineffective.

Well said, I would agree. The question that, however, looms is "Okay, where do we go from here?" Two more months of standing in the park creating a health hazard and disrupting traffic gets us where? In a little over one year, their will be a significant election - an opportunity to effect some real change, if only on an incremental scale. What's the plan guys? Get out of the park and get some folks out there who can be in a position to effect change - the time is now.

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead (http://www.newser.com/story/132040/big-banks-decide-against-debit-card-fees.html)


Oh wait.

i saw this, havent read up on it yet. ive threatened to leave BofA before but they bank on people like me going for the lazy convenient way.

since they bought out my mortgage its nice to just transfer over money from my checking to pay monthly.

bastards i really want to switch.

Yeah guys. All this media coverage I see shows these guys to be stupid, and want free shit. *rolls eyes*


Try reading this:


BBC News - The start of something new? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15284660)


The people I talk to are earnest, intelligent and mostly young.

Most of the coverage of the Occupy movements that I have seen suggests the movement is incoherent in its demands.

Not in Nashville. In one way or another, everyone I talk to says the problem is that big corporations dictate politics in America.


Now. Look at this media compared to the trash you guys are looking at. Now you see why I have such disdain for corporate media in America?

His claim that he was paying more income taxes than the majority of the people around is not quite truthful. The overall number may be more, but I am willing to guarantee you that the people around him are paying a higher percentage of their salary to taxes then he is.

See, that's what wealthy people do. They like to take a statistic and skew it so it makes them look like the good guy.

Also, his claim that don't tax corporations because they pass it along to consumers. Well, that may be true, but it's not like they are going to reduce the price of the product even if you don't reduce the taxes. Corporations have shown since the Regan era that reducing taxes does nothing but get them higher profit wages. The livelihood of the middle class man has pretty much stayed the same if not gotten worse.

I see your guarantee and raise you the IRS's guarantee that your wrong:

http://cdn.financialsamurai.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/toptaxes.jpg

How Much Money Do The Top Income Earners Make By Percentage? | Financial Samurai (http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04/12/how-much-money-do-the-top-income-earners-make-percent/)

1 Percenters on average like Peter Schiff pay 23.27% of their income to taxes, while us 99 percenters on average pay less then 12.24%. Lets say the IRS is wrong though and the all the poeple around him do pay a higher percent then he does, would you support a flat tax so that everyone, regardless of social class, is treated equally?

And if you replaced "wealthy" with anyother minority or even majority group of people it sounds pretty conspiracy theoryish or hatefull. Jut sayin

Hey guys. I hear protesting doesn't work.

Big Banks Decide Against Debit Card Fees - Chase, Citigroup not following Bank of America's lead (http://www.newser.com/story/132040/big-banks-decide-against-debit-card-fees.html)


Oh wait.

Where and when has anyone suggested that "protesting doesn't work"? Effective, relevant and goal oriented protesting has always been an effective way of creating change. In this case, the protest was incredibly effective b/c it had a specific goal and manifesting the protest by creating an tangible economic measure - loss of customers.

There was a specific goal: eliminate fees, and a specific course of action directly relevant to that goal: take your money out of a bank that imposes fees. Simple, easy and direct.

Right now, as Lotus eloquently pointed out earlier and others have reiterated, OWS simply has not articulated a goal that can be accomplished - not a simple one, not a complex one. Rather, right now, it is just people complaining about problems and that is not, and has never been, an effective way to protest.

And there is the crux of it ... you accuse others of judging you and yet you blatantly judge others.


I figured if that type of debate was good for you guys, then I should follow suit. Hey, you're lucky I kept it simple. I was going to ramble about you all being most likely racist since you like to stereotype people. Generally those that like to stereotype usually end up being racists as well. See how stupid that sounds? I agree. Let's stop the stereotyping going on in here. Thanks in advance.


Group hug?

SS,

I hope you are trying to make the point that all of these movements have people in them that are dumb. I really rather not start posting YouTube videos at Tea Party rallies.

Not trying to prove any point. Just found it comical

Brief intermission.


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i figured if that type of debate was good for you guys, then i should follow suit. Hey, you're lucky i kept it simple. I was going to ramble about you all being most likely racist since you like to stereotype people. Generally those that like to stereotype usually end up being racists as well. See how stupid that sounds? I agree. Let's stop the stereotyping going on in here. Thanks in advance.


group hug?

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Yeah guys. All this media coverage I see shows these guys to be stupid, and want free shit. *rolls eyes*

Try reading this:

BBC News - The start of something new? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15284660)

Now. Look at this media compared to the trash you guys are looking at. Now you see why I have such disdain for corporate media in America?

Strangely enough, every time I type in "Who is in OWS" or something similar I get a wide range of opinions from a variety of outlets; some just as blatantly slanted in the other direction - to read them you would believe that everyone in the OWS is a college graduate and that the park is a true utopia of clean living occupied by philosopher kings/queens.

Yes. Some media outlets cater to certain crowds. As I said earlier, the facts are out there and they show that OWS is made up of both the educated and the stupid; of free loaders and truly disenfranchised; and of people with high ideals and others with somewhat baser instincts. Which groups are emphasized depend on what channel you tune in.