'Occupy' types

Well said as usual Lotus.

yeah gesus lotus . . very well thought out and written. something an op ed in wash po strives to be.

Why 'occupy'? It's personal - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/opinion/cardona-why-occupy/index.html)


In the meantime, corporate profits are at an all-time high, but corporations are paying lower taxes than ever before. Some aren't paying any at all. This week, we see banks tacking on extra fees -- which, contrary to what they argue, would lead them to 13% more in profits than they were making before the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act went into effect. At the same time, CEOs, while also making record amounts of money (the average CEO makes $11 million a year while the average person makes $40,000), have laid off millions of Americans while sending our jobs overseas. These are not nameless, faceless Americans. They are our neighbors, our friends and even our families. It is personal.

Republicans continue to protect this twisted system. And to add insult to injury, Republican legislators and the GOP presidential candidates want to eliminate the protections the middle class gained from the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act passed by Democrats and signed by Obama.


On job creators? Who are they? The majority of job creation comes from our small businesses, none of which are raking in the salaries of the top 1% of wealthy Americans. So asking the top 1% of wealthy Americans to pay their fair share and pay at least as high a tax rate as their workers is not class warfare or an attack on "job creators" or socialism. It is in fact the American way. And America agrees.


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And probably most disturbing of all the Occupy Baltimore leaders (watch out OTM!) are handing out pamphlets that discourage rape victims from reporting rapes to the police .... wow.

Occupy Baltimore group discourages reporting rape, health advocates say - Baltimore Sun (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-10-19/news/bs-md-ci-occupy-baltimore-rape-20111019_1_sexual-assaults-sexual-abuse-report-crimes)



from my experiences of driving by they are a real mild group just holding up a few signs, not blocking traffic, i havent heard an insesant drums but i only drive by there a few times a week. pretty much non-existent on weekdays. the time we heard this rap guy blarring his sentiments on racism and dropping the N word was the only thing that has rubbed me the wrong way, just not necessary for a family area of the city. i mean it was blarring, words were very clear. your not in some private venue bar or club where people knowingly go to hear that nonsense.

otherwise, i dont think anyone is really noticing or caring in the city.

edit - what i meant to say is, the area they have is so small and right in a high traffic area for cars, peds and cops that there is lil to no chance on hell of a rape happening. that memo was just stupid and pointless

Lotus - Unsurprisingly, I agree with you on all points. If I have intimated anything different it was simply my knee-jerk reaction to some other knee jerk reactions and I admit not particularly productive.

My initial observations (way back when) in this thread were simply that, unlike the Tea Party, the OWS'ers are not an effective populist movement at this time. BUT, as saden1 said and you have much more fully analyzed, this is just the start - so it is likely too early to judge in that regard. Perhaps in three years, the political landscape has been radically changed by someone or some group building off the tensions being brought to the fore by the OWS'ers.

For me, I absolutely agree with the OWS'ers that the Market is broken and needs to be fixed but, as I said initially, the devil is in the details and standing in the park doesn't provide the answers.

Lotus you are way too serious. Jk, very well stated and can't disagree with you.

Glad we are reaching a point of agreement from both sides. Here is a pretty ironic story related to OWS and one of it's issues. I think both "sides" will find it funny.

Occupy Wall Street kitchen slowdown targets squatters - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5biNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL)

Why 'occupy'? It's personal - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/opinion/cardona-why-occupy/index.html)

I know this will never change your mind/views, but it's as hypocritical as the day is long for you to lecture us (particularly conservatives) about how you "don't care about D vs. R, Red vs. Blue", etc. and we're all so stupid we don't know the "Man" is pitting us against each other while he keeps us down.

....Yet many of your posts lean far left and you post an article from a Democratic strategist who was a comms director at the DNC and a senior advisor to Hillary that bashes the GOP in several spots and glosses over the fact that campaign contributions made by major corporations split almost evenly between D & R pols. It completely blames the GOP for the current state of affairs, which couldn't be further from the truth since the Ds have controlled Congress for quite sometime.

It's conservatives who want a restructuring of our tax system to take out loopholes that would make high end earners "pay their fair share" rather than get hit with a high % on paper that they "loophole" their way out of down to single digits in many cases.

It's conservatives who want to lower or remove corporate taxes to get jobs back home to the U.S. to raise the income of folks across all tax brackets. It's conservatives who want to reign in spending & entitlement programs which will bankrupt the country and leave little to nothing for future generations....across all tax brackets.

Instead of the OWS clowns (Lotus I get that there are smart, respectable folks who identify with OWS, but those folks aren't sleeping in parks, urinating wherever, and aren't co-op'ed by ACORN, SEIU, CAIR and whatever other group wants some airtime) sleeping in public places and acting like hippies, how about they identify the corporations with high dollar CEOs & board members then publicize how much they make vs. the company performance. Let the American people who buy the products or have the stock in their 401Ks make the decsion to keep subsidizing their bad behavior or not. We have an election coming up, how about they define a list of laws, regulations, policies they believe will begin to close the disparity between CEO and secretary, get that out in front of the American people and let them make the choice in Nov.

This article you posted is more of the same D bashing R that you've stated before is missing the point. This "pay their fair share", raise the tax rate on high earners nonsense just puts more money in the hands of the politicans that have created this mess and solves nothing.

Edit: all that being said, the picture was pretty damn funny.

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

Mayors run cities not states.

That's the problem. American's have sit back and let their country be taken right from them without a single care. You should be angry too. You should be sick and tired of the bullshit your government is giving you. Then again, maybe you are benefiting from them and don't give a shit because it hasn't affected you yet. Yet being key word. America's biggest downfall has been and will continue to be apathy.

**** those jobless bums!!


Oakland Police Critically Injure Iraq War Vet During Occupy March (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/iraq-vet-oakland-police-tear-gas_n_1033159.html)

**** this war veteran! ****ing piece of shit bum exercising his right to free speech!! GET A JOB YOU HIPPIE!!


The fact that many of you sit up here and just stereotype these people and act like you know why they are there is beyond me. It's sad most of you sit back and listen to the bullshit the media pumps and believe it. Just look at FOX to get a good view on how very much they've slanted this "occupy" movement. It's amazing thing to watch. Turning Americans against their own kind all the while they sit back and laugh because you are again blinded by the crooks in Washington.

I'd like to see a police force try to take on thousand and thousands of people.

There is no evidence the cops injured that man. The stuff the cops used do not normally cause those types of injuries. Now the rocks thrown by the protestors could cause those injuries. No one knows at this point so thats poor attempt by the writer to pin that on the police.

Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.

Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?