'Occupy' types

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I think the biggest problem is there's no real agenda... it's cool to be pissed off, but if you don't have any specific demands, what exactly are you wasting your time for?

and i mean, do you guys know what a hachet job is? back when the temperance movement was trying to ban alcohol, women would literally mob up and go into bars and warehouses and destroy them... break every mirror, smash every bottle, hack open every keg. and they kept doing it until they started getting their way.

protests since WWI have generally been almost completely violence free (maybe MLK's example helped?), but back in the days of Main Street and pre-prohibition america, it was an entirely different story.

The protesters that got their way had a focused goal - better working conditions, the right to vote, equality under law, etc etc

The OWS have support in that a LOT of americans are unhappy with the country, the government, corporate influence and backscratching (bailouts et al), but there's no endgame or proposed solution, so it's pointless. And i'm not sure the movement's been set up so that it can be lead either.

The bottom line is the more attention you pay to these people the more attention they will seek and require. Ignore them and they will go away.
kind of like sarah palin?

I agree with some of their more thought out positions and not just this everything is evil position. I think OWS relishes this decentralized agenda-less structure. Easier to move, mobilize and get support that way. To make any real change they would need to organize themselves but many of them are liberatarian or anarchists they would have to move away from their Utopian ideals to have a real voice.

That Guy, hooskins - well said.

John Lennon's message to the Occupiers:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

That Guy, hooskins - well said.

John Lennon's message to the Occupiers:

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

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Instead of the cops and mayors worrying about occupiers, how about they start changing some laws in their state to reflect much of their problems. If the Fed won't regulate banks, the states sure as hell can if you do business in their state.


Im dont believe cops or mayors have any authority to start changing some laws in their states….. Although I think one of the major duties a police chief or mayor does have is to worry about "occupiers", or any type of civil unrest at the municipality level.

But i think the bigger issue in your statement is who or what are the protestors protesting. If its that that Fed wont regulate banks, shouldnt the protestors be protesting the Fed not Wall Street? Perhaps it should be Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue or Capitol Street?

I think the biggest problem is there's no real agenda... it's cool to be pissed off, but if you don't have any specific demands, what exactly are you wasting your time for?

and i mean, do you guys know what a hachet job is? back when the temperance movement was trying to ban alcohol, women would literally mob up and go into bars and warehouses and destroy them... break every mirror, smash every bottle, hack open every keg. and they kept doing it until they started getting their way.

protests since WWI have generally been almost completely violence free (maybe MLK's example helped?), but back in the days of Main Street and pre-prohibition america, it was an entirely different story.

The protesters that got their way had a focused goal - better working conditions, the right to vote, equality under law, etc etc

The OWS have support in that a LOT of americans are unhappy with the country, the government, corporate influence and backscratching (bailouts et al), but there's no endgame or proposed solution, so it's pointless. And i'm not sure the movement's been set up so that it can be lead either.


Very well said

Personally I have disagreements with some posters on both sides of this issue.

I know several people who are involved in the Occupy movement. They are intelligent non-hippie people with good jobs and they are not violent. Therefore they defy the stereotypes which are so common in this thread. Instead, they are educated and good-hearted Americans manifesting the same frustration with the rapaciousness of the unregulated rich which drove some of the policies of Teddy Roosevelt. And they are expressing this frustration in an authentic American way. So if you are one of those people in this thread who stereotype Occupy protesters as shiftless and/or violent hippies, you are not understanding the movement in a clear way.

All that said, That Guy and Hooskins are correct. While I admire the utopian ideals of the Occupy movement, their utopianism has prevented them from enunciating discrete, specific goals and discrete, specific paths for realizing those goals. This lack of direction, it seems to me, keeps the Occupy movement as it currently exists from achieving any real change.

Because the frustration which drives the movement will not evaporate even if their movement achieves nothing, the social energy of the movement will not disappear. Instead it will transform into something new with the same themes. In the years to come I think we will see similar social movements which are more focused and directed and thus more productive. American history has shown that you can't keep a populist spirit down too long. If we do not understand this, and instead we stereotype embodiments of this spirit as hippie thugs, we will be unable to cope with the inevitable progression of history.