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mooby
10-03-2011, 07:49 PM
Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Seriously.

Has anybody thought about what happens if Beck is not the answer? I look at Grossman like this:

He makes some good plays (such as Moss' touchdown on 4th down against Arizona), and he makes some bad plays (such as boneheaded interceptions).

Now I look at Beck like this:

He's sat on the bench except for his whole horrible career in Miami. Could he provide better play? Possibly. Could he be just as bad, if not worse? Possibly.

Back to my starting point. If Beck is actually worse than Grossman, then what? Do we put Grossman back in? And then bench him again when he sucks? Do we flip flop all season between two qb's best suited to be backups? If Beck was tearing it up in practice and Grossman kept looking like shit, I don't think Shanahan would hesitate to replace Grossman. But so far Grossman has provided us with good and bad highlights, and he's also 3-1 as a starter.

The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

GMScud
10-03-2011, 07:49 PM
Shame that we're 3-1 sitting here banging our heads against the wall over the starting QB... as usual.

Can't have QB ratings around 50 for 2 straight weeks. I hate that Rex Grossman is our starting QB, but at 3-1 you kind of have to stand pat.

Given the praise that Beck has gotten from the Shannys, I don't imagine that Rex can have too many more games like that and keep his job. Problem is, what if you bench him and Beck comes in and stinks up the place? Season goes totally down the toilet at that point.

GMScud
10-03-2011, 07:52 PM
The time to replace Grossman is when his negatives clearly outweigh his positives. Sorry guys but we're not there yet. And does it matter anyways? Both are over 30, neither are the long term solution, and our starting qb next season is probably playing in the NCAA right now.

He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.

SmootSmack
10-03-2011, 07:53 PM
One interception yesterday and one against Arizona were not his fault...but yes he does turn it over

mooby
10-03-2011, 07:56 PM
He turns it over way too much. 14 turnovers in his last 7 starts. That's bad. Really bad.

Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.

Hog1
10-03-2011, 07:56 PM
The prospect of....musical QB rotation is...not awesome. Stand pat...for now.

GMScud
10-03-2011, 07:58 PM
Yeah but that's one side of the equation. Grossman has also made plays that have contributed to the games we've won. How do we know Beck is capable of making those plays? All Beck has so far in his career is negative plays, and he didn't exactly booster Shanny's confidence in him by tearing it up during the preseason either.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not an advocate for either QB. Since we have to have one of them under center, I still lean towards Rex... for now.

mooby
10-03-2011, 08:02 PM
I guess what I'm saying is I'm not an advocate for either QB. Since we have to have one of them under center, I still lean towards Rex... for now.

I'm not either. I'm an advocate for Shanny finding his own elite young playcaller in the draft in the offseason. When Grossman starts screwing up left and right and can't drive the team down the field or score touchdowns, that's when I'll advocate pulling him. But it's not like we have a known quantity at backup, so we might just be wasting this good start to the season if we do that.

44ever
10-03-2011, 08:04 PM
Right now I'd rather see KS change some of the plays he calls than see a QB change.

I really don't care either way 53. In fact I think they should stick with Grossman all the way thru the season since he was made the starter but I would also would not be surprised or upset if the change was made.

I am actually interested to see how Beck would play to be honest. It's not like Grossman will be taking us all the way. He's already shown that he is very limited and inconsistent.

If anything, he will break our hearts post season at best.

That Guy
10-03-2011, 08:07 PM
again, he's an average QB, and beck would probably be worse.

we didn't get hasslebeck, so we've got to wait until the draft/FA to fix it, but we knew that going in, so i don't know why some people are soo surprised or panicking now.

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