Start John Beck Madness Thread

I think you are giving Beck too much credit.

I completely agree. Beck has been in the league awhile hasnt done anything but prove he's not a starting QB. For all the legitimate concerns about Rex the bottom line is Beck, when given the chance, couldnt beat him out.

I think we need to accept the fact that Rex is what he is, and neither Rex or Beck are the long term solutions here.

I feel that I greatly underestimated Anthony Armstrong. Hopefully he'll return in a couple of weeks and stretch this offense out a bit. I think maybe not having Young is hurting as well.

Definitely, Tim Ryan even said that after watching tape of the dallas game our wr's werent getting open. AA's speed is sorely missed, we've got no real burners w/out him. I wonder if Hank is closer to seeing some action, Niles Paul was in for a lot of running plays.

I wondered about YOung too after the dallas game, but the running game & pass pro was great yesterday.

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

yeah, bring em in motion that he stands behind the TE or tackle just before snap. Hope he develops as a wr, he's a ball player.

Definitely, Tim Ryan even said that after watching tape of the dallas game our wr's werent getting open. AA's speed is sorely missed, we've got no real burners w/out him. I wonder if Hank is closer to seeing some action, Niles Paul was in for a lot of running plays.

I wondered about YOung too after the dallas game, but the running game & pass pro was great yesterday.

I would have thought maybe Austin would get a shot with AA sitting

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

A. Pettis may remember him for a little more than his blocking. lol

I think its a lot of curiosity. Seeing what Beck can do is what fuels me really. It's like alright, we see Rex, wonder what this other guy can do? I mean granted you shouldn't take a team with momentum and just totally change the dynamic, which is why I'm torn and think that a switch should only be a consideration during the bye week and something sitting in the coaches head's down the road in case inconsistency keeps up and not a knee jerk move.

Also starting Beck against a divisional foe next week would be a bad move anyway.

I think a lot of this is frustration (for me anyway), that I think this offense has the ability to really really be good and there's some missing piece and I can't figure out wtf.

Sitting Rex is exactly what we could use against a divisional foe. No film to study the guy, unexpected mobility which would cause the defense to keep atleast one linebacker in to spy, because if they don't there is territory to claim in the flats for a running John Beck coming off play action bootleg against a defense that will most likely show our offense some form of base cover 2, which we've seen for the past 2 weeks. With one less LB dropping back it could open up the middle of the field for more intermediate crossing, seam, and skinny post routes.

As for Beck, and his overall ability, it's impossible to know, simply because we haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment. From what I saw of him in the preseason he seems to keep his eyes dowfield in the face of pressure, he works through his progressions quickly, he's willing to adjust by gliding away from pressure, and has the innate ability to complete improvisational throws outside of the pocket. He's taller than Grossman which gives him a distinct advantage when it comes to recognizing throwing lanes, batted balls and noticing coverage downfield. He can manifest throws from awkward positions(leaping in the air off of his back foot, falling to the turf). More importantly, there will never be another team vying for Grossman's services. He is a mediocre system oriented QB. Anyone can see that. If we play Beck, and he happens to inspire awe from other franchises around the league, you can potentially deal him for a future draft pick. If he performs well in the system you might even think about hanging onto him as an interim QB until you can prime a rookie to take over. Do you really want Rex's poor decision making and fearful demeanor in the pocket rubbing off on a impressionable rookie.

The fact that the curiousity exists to see what the next guy can do ultimately means that your intuition is taking over. Follow that, because it is usually the best course of action.

Man, the backup QB really always is the "best player" on the team. "He can manifest throws from awkward positions..."

shakes head, walks away

Sitting Rex is exactly what we could use against a divisional foe. No film to study the guy, unexpected mobility which would cause the defense to keep atleast one linebacker in to spy, because if they don't there is territory to claim in the flats for a running John Beck coming off play action bootleg against a defense that will most likely show our offense some form of base cover 2, which we've seen for the past 2 weeks. With one less LB dropping back it could open up the middle of the field for more intermediate crossing, seam, and skinny post routes.

As for Beck, and his overall ability, it's impossible to know, simply because we haven't seen enough of him to make an accurate assessment. From what I saw of him in the preseason he seems to keep his eyes dowfield in the face of pressure, he works through his progressions quickly, he's willing to adjust by gliding away from pressure, and has the innate ability to complete improvisational throws outside of the pocket. He's taller than Grossman which gives him a distinct advantage when it comes to recognizing throwing lanes, batted balls and noticing coverage downfield. He can manifest throws from awkward positions(leaping in the air off of his back foot, falling to the turf). More importantly, there will never be another team vying for Grossman's services. He is a mediocre system oriented QB. Anyone can see that. If we play Beck, and he happens to inspire awe from other franchises around the league, you can potentially deal him for a future draft pick. If he performs well in the system you might even think about hanging onto him as an interim QB until you can prime a rookie to take over. Do you really want Rex's poor decision making and fearful demeanor in the pocket rubbing off on a impressionable rookie.

The fact that the curiousity exists to see what the next guy can do ultimately means that your intuition is taking over. Follow that, because it is usually the best course of action.

A rock on the field and a hard place on the bench.