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SkinsRock 01-06-2005, 02:34 PM Ok, I agree that he's probably gone, but what about this:
This year was for Gardner's chance to prove himself in the "Monk posession receiver" role, and Gibbs knew he had McCants waiting in the wings if RG didn't perform up to par. Similar to how Gibbs used to keep young players on the IR list until he felt they were ready to play. Remember that DM was fairly inexperienced when he first came in, and came from a smaller college. My thought is that maybe Gibbs viewed him like he viewed Ramsey (early on)....too young for now, but given some time, he'll get a shot. I know it's probably not the case, but I thought I'd put it out there...
SkinsRock 01-06-2005, 02:36 PM Weren't the Ravens trying to get McCants from us last year when he was a free agent? Maybe we could get a pick from them at least.
I think there were rumors, but I don't know if there was any truth to them. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see either Gardner or McCants in a Ravens uniform in 2005...
It's very weird how the coaches opinion of a player could change so drastically in less than 9 monthes. But if Gibbs didn't want to use him after talking so highly of him in the spring because of Mccant's attitude then I'm totally fine with that. As Gibbs has said repeatedly, he wants players who are true Redskins and think team first. Anyone wonder what we might have gotten for him this spring if we'd done a sign and trade?
I think Gibbs liked what he saw from McCants on film and that's why he was re-signed, but once he saw him in practice it was a different story.
memphisskin 01-06-2005, 02:57 PM I think Gardner is gone, but there's still hope for McCants. I read somewhere that Muhsin Muhammad might be someone the Skins target, but I agree with skinsrock in that it was McCants youth and relative inexperience that kept him glued to the pine. That plus the two guys ahead of him were busting their hump week in and week out on special teams while McCants decided that practice was beneath him. Riiight...
I'd much rather keep McCants and 50/50 just for the sake of continuity, which we all know we haven't had since Norv Turner was roaming the sidelines and finding new ways to lose games each week. Our cap situation is not in dire straights, but it just seems to make more sense to develop a guy we have signed to a very reasonable deal instead of giving Muhsin Muhammad a big payday.
50/50, he's probably out of here. He's shown flashes of being a decent wideout, although we'd probably have to dramatically edit his highlight tape to get anyone to give us anything higher than a 3rd rounder for him. I love his athleticism, but he's just way too inconsistent.
Is it me, or did Gardner thrive when the lefty was in there while Coles took off when Ramsey played? If so, does playing Hasselbeck mean that Thrash and Jacobs are going to get more catches?
Shane 01-06-2005, 03:29 PM If he is refusing to play special teams, that is the reason right there that the coaches have soured on him. How much money does he get paid to be a football player? How many millions of dollars? And he doesn't want to play special teams! No, McCants is too good for the special teams.
It's a shame that we signed him again, but you can't predict that a player will take such a separative, non-team first attitude.
All those millions of dollars he got. The gall he has!
skinsguy 01-06-2005, 03:39 PM I think McCants has plenty of potiental, but wasn't there a question about his work ethic in practice? If you're going to be coached by Joe Gibbs or someone like him, you had better do what you're expected to do....in the NFL, you cannot do the bare minimum and expect to make a difference. Maybe McCants felt that once he got into the NFL, everything would be easy going from there...but I think possibly he found out that there is much expected out of the players and not just on the field during a game.
As far as Rod Gardner...I will be very surprised to see him back next year. Pretty much what I expected to happen is going to happen: Trash and Jacobs getting more playing time on offense. I honestly feel the combination of Coles, Trash, and Jacobs gives us our best chance on offense. I wouldn't be surprised if we went after another veteran WR in the offseason....someone who wouldn't be expensive but could still be effective.
TheMalcolmConnection 01-06-2005, 04:09 PM I also heard about Muhammed becoming available. Even with all the talk to the contrary about Snyder's typical spending sprees. I can see him finding Muhammed a tantalizing offer even though he obviously would demand to be paid as one of the top 5 receivers in the league. I hope maybe we could trade Gardener for a pick and just develop someone as a receiver.
Big C 01-06-2005, 04:48 PM i dunno about muhammad, hes like 32 or something, thats pretty old for an nfl reciever. he would also want a lot of money, and i think it would be better spent elsewhere. if it was like a 2 year deal or somehing it would be better than a 5 year deal.
saden1 01-06-2005, 04:50 PM I also heard about Muhammed becoming available. Even with all the talk to the contrary about Snyder's typical spending sprees. I can see him finding Muhammed a tantalizing offer even though he obviously would demand to be paid as one of the top 5 receivers in the league. I hope maybe we could trade Gardener for a pick and just develop someone as a receiver.
I like Muhammed but he is getting old. He had a nice year this year but I don't know about next year. I hope he becomes the first Panther to Retire as a Panther.
Muhammed has already said he's looking for a lucrative deal, I wouldn't want to dish out very much for a WR over 30.
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