Hall of Fame Class of 2012

Curtis Martin IMO deserves it. Watching him play growing up was awesome and I was pulling for him to break Moose Johnson and the Cowboy's OL's rushing record.....oh I mean Emmit Smith's record....

Also Roaf should have already been inducted and its nice to see Tim Brown as well.

C. Kennedy, W. Roaf & Parcells are my bets, several others I'm on the fence on. Really weak class of RBs, the O line candidates are strong. Haley will be hard to deny, except for the fact the dude was crazy! C. Carter & T. Brown will both get in, but not both at this time.

Mann is our best candidate overall, but he's got some tough competition. Jacoby I think is going to suffer from comparison to modern day, quick foot OTs & he could never block LT or Banks. B. Mitchell is only in the conversation as a returner, can't really say he deserves to be in.

How can you say Martin and Bettis are a "weak class"?:spank:

I am also not a Parcells fan. Look when he had real success - he had the HC in NE on his staff. When Bill B wasn't there, Parcells was average at best.

How can you say Martin and Bettis are a "weak class"?:spank:

I am also not a Parcells fan. Look when he had real success - he had the HC in NE on his staff. When Bill B wasn't there, Parcells was average at best.

Those two might be the most deserving of the class. Bettis IMO is a good candidate. Martin was good, not great, and more than anything deserves credit for longevity. Not sure that's enough for the hall though.

Overall though, there are some RBs in that class that are nowhere near HOF level, e.g. Stephen Davis & Tikki Barber. Both were good players, but also fumble prone & were not consistenly great through their careers.

How can you say Martin and Bettis are a "weak class"?:spank:

I am also not a Parcells fan. Look when he had real success - he had the HC in NE on his staff. When Bill B wasn't there, Parcells was average at best.

The Tuna won 2 super bowls in NY, went to another in NE, got the jets competitive, built a good team in Dallas that was competitive, & built a decent roster in Miami, though that's hard to see now.

I know Parcells had Belicheck for part of his career, but if you use that logic you can always downgrade anyone's success & Parcells had success w/out Belicheck.

I dint realize TO is 2nd all time in reception yardage behind Rice. Megatron at #169 and climbing!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can you say Martin and Bettis are a "weak class"?:spank:

I am also not a Parcells fan. Look when he had real success - he had the HC in NE on his staff. When Bill B wasn't there, Parcells was average at best.

Parcell belongs there, he beat the shit out of Bill Walsh more than once in the playoffs and almost killed Joe Montana.

The Tuna won 2 super bowls in NY, went to another in NE, got the jets competitive, built a good team in Dallas that was competitive, & built a decent roster in Miami, though that's hard to see now.

I know Parcells had Belicheck for part of his career, but if you use that logic you can always downgrade anyone's success & Parcells had success w/out Belicheck.


Yes, his 2 Super Bowls in NY and 3rd in NE, who was by his side as DC? Belicheck. When Belicheck wasn't there - what did Parcells do? Bill B was HC in Cleveland from 91-95. How many Super Bowls did Parcells go to then?

He made the playoffs in Dallas but got no where. Miami wasn't any better. Parcells only real success happened not because of Parcells.

Yes, his 2 Super Bowls in NY and 3rd in NE, who was by his side as DC? Belicheck. When Belicheck wasn't there - what did Parcells do? Bill B was HC in Cleveland from 91-95. How many Super Bowls did Parcells go to then?

He made the playoffs in Dallas but got no where. Miami wasn't any better. Parcells only real success happened not because of Parcells.Then why did'nt Belichick do well in Cleveland ?Your argument does'nt stand up ....at all.

Parcell belongs there, he beat the shit out of Bill Walsh more than once in the playoffs and almost killed Joe Montana.

They knocked Montana out twice Burt got him once in 87 and Marshall in 90 they were both brutal hits. That Marshall hit would have sent me to ER.

Burt vs Montana - YouTube

Leonard Marshall knocking Joe Montana out! 1990 NFC Championship game. Giants vs. 49ers - YouTube

Then why did'nt Belichick do well in Cleveland ?Your argument does'nt stand up ....at all.

If memory serves, Belichick was starting to get that team turned around and then Modell announced the move to Baltimore and it fell apart.

Even if my memory is off on that, Bill B had success without Parcells, but Parcells hasn't done squat without Bill B.

edit: Heck, how many playoff games has Parcells won without Bill B on his staff? I bet you they could be counted on 1 hand.