Hall of Fame Class of 2012

DS has done a lot of GREAT things. A lot of nice charity stuff, he did a lot for #21's family by giving 500k to Sean's daughter, he's been great to some of the old Redskins, given money to Children's Hospital and so on. But he hasn't won and has also shit on the fans. Don't want to turn this into a Snyder bitch fest, but there's no comparison between Cooke and Snyder. Cooke will ALWAYS be loved by the fans. Not only cause he won but because of his charisma and personality.

Winning cures all.

Winning cures all.

And he'll get lots of love from the fans when they start winning in the not so distant future. NEXT YEAR BABY!!! I feel it.

I agree Parcells will get in, but don't think it is nonsense. I actually got turned onto this fact from several former players who suggested I look it up.

It's a stat everyone knows. Just like Gretzky never won without Messier and Jordan never won without Pippen, though Messier did win without Gretzky.

I'm guessing you think Belichick belongs right? Well, how about I counter that with "yeah well he never won as Super Bowl as a head coach without Rome Crennel"

Well, Rice wasn't with Walsh for the first SB (I believe without looking up). Also, Walsh wasn't with 2 teams with Montana. Remember, Bill B was the DC of the Pats for 1 year, and that was THE year for them. Also, as soon as Bill B left the Giants for the Browns, the Giants did not go back to the big one.

My point is you can pick and choose all sorts of things to suit an argument. Only thing that really matters is the body of work. Once you get into the realm of nitpicking you end up snubbing the likes of Art Monk from the Hall for years on end.

Not so sure about that. To me he's on the fence.

He was one of the top coaches of the modern era. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get in.

It's a stat everyone knows. Just like Gretzky never won without Messier and Jordan never won without Pippen, though Messier did win without Gretzky.

I'm guessing you think Belichick belongs right? Well, how about I counter that with "yeah well he never won as Super Bowl as a head coach without Rome Crennel"

I see where you are going, but the Pats are still a dominant team without RC. He has been gone long enough where you lose some steam in the argument. Yes, I think Bill B is someone who belongs in the HOF.

Bill Parcells had both Joe Gibbs (painful to say) and Bill Walsh's numbers, had success with the Jets, Patriots and Cowboys. If you had a choice between Shanahan and Parcells for the HOF, who would you pick? A no brainer Parcells. Now if Shanahan can win again, he's the guy on the fence unless he wins again.

Bill Parcells had both Joe Gibbs (painful to say) and Bill Walsh's numbers, had success with the Jets, Patriots and Cowboys. If you had a choice between Shanahan and Parcells for the HOF, who would you pick? A no brainer Parcells. Now if Shanahan can win again, he's the guy on the fence unless he wins again.

For the Jets and Patriots he had Bill B with him. Bill B did not go with him to Dallas and Miami and there was no real success.

The Cowboys NEVER won a playoff game with Parcells at the helm. That is not what I consider "success".

btw, I make this argument fully realizing Parcells will go in. It may or may not be this year, but they will put him in. I just feel there are better qualified people for Canton.

For the Jets and Patriots he had Bill B with him. Bill B did not go with him to Dallas and Miami and there was no real success.

The Cowboys NEVER won a playoff game with Parcells at the helm. That is not what I consider "success".

btw, I make this argument fully realizing Parcells will go in. It may or may not be this year, but they will put him in. I just feel there are better qualified people for Canton.

He built a good team in Dallas, Romo screwed up a fumble and Wade Phillips was no coach and screwed that team up. Do you consider Shanahan a HOF'er?

It's tough to win in this league, really tough. And with all the variables involved, it's no big surprise that coaches never seem to find the same level of success when they move on to different teams. But that shouldn't diminish what they did manage to accomplish in the first place.