McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?

He isn't that old, and age shouldn't be the reason for him doing this poorly. He stunk last year, and is off to a start that I could literally do if I were the qb for the vikings.

It gets me thinking, was he ever good? or was he just a product of a great offensive scheme. I know he didn't always have the best wr core, but maybe good coaching/play calling can make up for lack of talent more than we thought. Look at how McDaniels did in denver last year offensively. Orton had NOBODY and still did very well.

It makes me happy that we traded him, makes me mad that we ever traded for him, and makes me question how much of a qb's success is based off of the coaching scheme and play calling.

Of course it is just one game, he has 15 more to show that he has stuff, but I'd say its safe to assume that he's pretty much a non-factor now.

I can't believe I drafted percy harvin. Shoulda went with moss.

Like power hitters in baseball, quarterbacks seem to decline VERY quickly once their body starts to age. Most go from hero to zero in a matter of a couple years. Whether it is a decline in reflex reaction time, muscle control, leg speed, whatever... qb's go downhill fast. I think McNabb had a lot of talent and was well coached. He has just reached the expiration point on his career. It is a sad fact that we all get old and slow down, but that is an immutable fact of life.

After seeing what AJ Feeley did in Miami after leaving Reid, seeing what McNabb has done after leaving Reid, and seeing the transformation Vick has made since joining Andy Reid, it's probably time to give a ton of credit to Big Red as a developer of QBs.

Why are we still talking about this jackass?


McDummy has ALWAYS been overrated by the media and sports pundit. Andy Reid has shown that other QBs have been successful in his system, but those same QBs haven't shown to replicate the success they had in Philly. Five NFC Championship and he's only won 1. He's never been clutch, and I don't recall him ever leading a team to a win with 2 minutes left on the clock and needing a TD. Excuses have ALWAYS came up for McDummy. Oh...the WRs weren't good, Oh...the OL wasn't blocking....Oh....Andy Reid wasn't calling the right play. Instead, it should have been, Oh, McNugget isn't accurate enough to hit receivers in stride. Oh, McNugget sucked at moving the chains with his arm and getting yardage in between the hash marks.

**** this clown. People hound Rush Limbaugh way back then for his assessment on McNugget, but he was spot on. (even backed up by Steve Young that day)

I agree with Schneed. Reid deserves all the credit.

I can't help but think he may have lost his passion for the game once he got traded from Philly. He clearly hasn't been the same since.

I can't help but think he may have lost his passion for the game once he got traded from Philly. He clearly hasn't been the same since.

definite possibility, another thing I was thinking is that he's had so many surgeries and injuries, maybe they mounted up.

Take A Stab At McNabb

that didnt work

Suck For Luck

I hope we dont try that either.

definite possibility, another thing I was thinking is that he's had so many surgeries and injuries, maybe they mounted up.


McNabb really has been pretty healthy when compared to most NFL players.

I think like Matty said he is just going through the motions no real desire.

McNabb looks very much like QB in decline - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-carpenter_mcnabb_vikings_decline091411)

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I believe the system DID help him a lot in Philly. Yes, he had athletic talent earlier in his career. He could run well and had a strong arm on long throws. Accuracy never impressed anyone and it appears that last year exposed his inability to adapt or learn...unless it was a case of a lack of effort.

Minnesota is supposed to be a system that fits his skills. Week 1 was a disaster but I won't judge his whole season on one horrible week. However, I do think that he's done. Injuries have really taken a toll on him and his lack of accuracy is really showing now that his arm and scrambling ability are declining.

Many mediocre QBs have done adequate jobs in Reid's offense. This is why I am not buying into Kolb. He didn't impress me in Philly and I don't expect him to excel anywhere else.

Koy Detmer, Jeff Garcia, Ty Detmer, AJ Feeley...all have looked at least serviceable in Philly.