McNabb, case study-coaching or talent at qb?

Ask yourselves what top QB doesnt benefit from the system he's in.

McNabb has just lost it in my opinion. I'm sure he probably has one or two big games left that'll make people think he's still a viable starting QB but that's it.

First off let's reserve judgement after a few games or more.

I will say that DM has been a great QB in a great system for a long time. Hes not the most accurate of passers but he makes up for it w/ incredible athletic ability. Shiftiness. The ability to slide out of trouble, buy time, run, step up and hit receivers downfield. That's his game. Of course the Andy Reid system is excellent and put him in positions to succeed too.

I still think in the right system he can be a top notch QB. He's not old. He's still mobile. I don't know enough about Minn's system to offer an opinion on it.

The guy didn't fit in our system. Bad trade but at least we admitted as much and moved on.

I also want to mention exactly why McNabb has diminished. His whole career, his ability to run has kept him afloat at the top of the QB list in the NFC. As the years passed and injuries mounted, his ability to run has all but vanished which is why he's struggling as a QB now. He never had the skills to be a top flight QB to begin with (accuracy, pocket presence, intelligence, quick release) that the others have. (Manning, Rivers, Brady, Brees) It's not McNabb's age (34) that is making his decline show. Look no further than the 39-40 year old Brett Farve almost pulling out a MVP to debunk that notion. If your whole game relied on your wheels, expect a lower shelf life for those types of QBs. This is why I'm so dead set against the "run first" kind of QBs that come into the league. That might get you far in the NCAA and win you some games in the NFL, but to really progress and prolong your career, you need to win games from the pocket with the abilities I mention prior.

I agree that McNabb's running ability made him successful. But like running backs, the more running he did the more it took a toll on his body which made him less effective as a runner. It also made him less effective as a passer because he no longer was able to extend passing plays like he was when he was younger. There seems to be a correlation with increasing age and decreasing skills, but it's only because USUALLY (older) age means more mileage and wear and tear.

People hound Rush Limbaugh way back then for his assessment on McNugget, but he was spot on. (even backed up by Steve Young that day)What?

Rush said all his success came from some ill-defined, ill-conceived "notion of hope the NFL has for black players". I'm fairly certain he pulled that load from his arse.

That's a FAR cry from any of the points you made.

Naw, Rush wasn't spot-on about anything.

Also that's why some college qbs are able to rely on their running ability to be successful. Because obviously, those qbs aren't as beat up and have "young legs".

I am trying to think which QBs have successfully transitioned from one team to another. Drew Brees comes to mind, going from San Diego to becoming an elite QB in New Orleans (I don't know if there was much of a difference between the two systems). Favre one-year stint in Minny could be one...but that was only a year. I guess maybe Brad Johnson's move to Tampa could be considered. Can anybody else think of other examples?

A good test may be Roethlisberger- to see if he declines suddenly for no obvious reason.

What?

Rush said all his success came from some ill-defined, ill-conceived "notion of hope the NFL has for black players". I'm fairly certain he pulled that load from his arse.

That's a FAR cry from any of the points you made.

Naw, Rush wasn't spot-on about anything.


I think you need to review exactly what Rush said. He said no such a thing.


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His point is that he was overrated and he got credit for much of what the defense was doing. It's spot on.

Listen to Steve Young at the end.

Now his point about the media/NFL wanting him to succeed because he's black? Well, that part he pulled out of his ass.

Yeah, I never got why Limbaugh was ever on TV to do NFL analysis in the first place.

Yeah, I never got why Limbaugh was ever on TV to do NFL analysis in the first place.

Same reason they decided Dennis Miller would be a good MNF commentator. Stupidity.