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sportscurmudgeon 01-04-2005, 05:51 PM Sean Taylor is first in the hearts and minds of lots of people here...
AND
Sean Taylor was the first defensive player taken in the draft last year...
BUT ALAS
He will not be the Defensive Rookie of the Year...
UNLESS
They add a special category called Defensive Rookie MEATHEAD of the Year.
celts32 01-04-2005, 06:10 PM Vilma has it locked I think. Had a good year and plays in NY.
Hail to the Redskins 01-04-2005, 06:48 PM OK, so someone explain to me how Chris "Dangerfield", I mean Chris Gamble hasn't gotten a mention on this thread or ESPN's "Rookie Team??
Gamble: 66 tackles, 6 INTS!, 1 forced fumble and 14 pass deflections!
compare to...
Jason David: 55 tackles, 4 Ints, 1 FF, 15 PD (He made "All-Rookie" team)
Gamble also had to learn the position on the fly coming from being a receiver in college.
But I think you HAVE to say Dunta Robinson for D-ROY... INCREDIBLE numbers...
Robinson: 88 tackles!! 6 INTS!! 3 sacks!! 19 PD!! ... WOW! Taylor doesn't compare here....
skins009 01-04-2005, 07:40 PM It should def. be Sean Tayler. A lot of what Sean tayler does isn't seen my the naked eye. Just think about all those corner blitz's we did this year, you know why we never got burned, because Sean Tayler has the rare ability to cover a WR as a safety. He was great in coverage and that isn't always easy to see either. I think all us Skins fan know we got one hell of a superstar coming up.
Daseal 01-04-2005, 08:25 PM I also love seeing Sean throw his body into the wedge to break it up on special teams.
BleedBurgundy 01-05-2005, 12:03 AM [QUOTE=skins009] A lot of what Sean tayler does isn't seen my the naked eye. QUOTE]
Forget Defensive ROY, that sentence is the best damn thing I have ever read.
SKINSnCANES 01-05-2005, 02:14 AM Well...since I was mentioned a few times in this thread let me clear a few things up. One, Boulware and Dockett were both Noles, and should NEVER be confused with Canes. Thats as bad as saying that Darell Green is a Cowboy.
Second, Im not sure how they decide on rookie of the year. Vilma and Robinson have the best stats. But Taylor is the type of player that is in on everyplay, and makes players think twice about what they do and call. AKA, Pinkston looking both ways before crossing the street. Also, we had a top ranked defense, and Taylor had more to do with that then most people realize. We dont have a steller dline, so we blitz with our corners and linebackers. That only works with a stud safety. Taylor is one of three players in the league that is a safety that can probably line up with any receiver in the league.
But with all that being said be probably wotn get the award. DJ Williams is also up for it, another Cane who is turning out to be a beast. Taylor will however begin to take over aging Brian Dawkins spot as a perennial probowl safety
Hey SC I'm just curious, what kind of rookie season would you say Taylor had?
Below average, average, above average?
SKINSnCANES 01-05-2005, 10:13 AM FYI, I just looked on ESPN.com, and he didnt even make the all rookie team. They gave it to a fifth round pick from the jets.
I think he started off slow, he missed a bunch of tackles, definitly can on strong and was there on every tackle. I think that Williams system is so precise on where people should be that he didnt get to ball hawk very much. Im impressed that he acutally followed his assignments and played as a team. All in all, I expected a fewmore picks.
sportscurmudgeon 01-05-2005, 02:01 PM Matty:
Since you asked...
Given that he was the first defensive player taken in the draft, the standards for his rookie season are set pretty high. I'd say he failed to meet those standards most of the time.
His coverage blunder cost us the 2nd Dallas game. Yes, I know if the offense had scored 42 points that day the Cowboys would never have been in the position to win the game. That argument is bogus because I can turn it around and say if the defense had pitched a shutout up to that time the TD woud not have mattered either. Fact is the TD decided the game and Testaverde (not Unitas or Montana or Elway ) schooled the freelancing kid.
Contrary to what SkinsNCanes thinks, it was not Sean Taylor that caused Todd Pinkston to get alligator arms; it was Ryan Clark. Look at the play closely and #36 is the guy who is 5 yards behind PInkston straining to catch up; #36 is the guy beaten on the play.
In that same Eagles' game, Taylor was the one who was late to the coverage that gave Greg Lewis a catch at the Skins 2 yard line and then it was Taylor on the next play who did not wrap up on Dorsey Leavens as he went into the end zone for the winning score. That TD was the difference in the game.
I no longer have the tape of the Cleveland game but Taylor gave up the 4th down conversion on the Browns' final drive and was late in coverage on the final score. I THINK he also had a penalty on that drive too. While you can hang the Dallas loss around his neck, he can only share the blame for that loss.
So, if he cost the team at least two games all by himself by not making a big play when it was needed. Remember that two more wins would put the Skins at 8-8 and there are a couple of teams in the playoffs at 8-8.
So, I'd say that on-field performance for Taylor this year has been far below the standard that one might expect from the first defensive player taken in the draft.
And I need not mention his off-field performances on this day - the one where he has to stand trial for DWI. Of course he'll be acquitted and not be guilty in the eyes of the law becuse he has the money to make that happen.
I wonder if he'll use the courtroom steps this afternoon - after his exoneration - to announce that he wants his contract renegotiated or he will be holding out next summer...
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