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offensive players should be ranked only by effort.

here is a different viewpoint.
Gwilliams comes to town and everyone accross the board on defence has career years(well the players that played). smoot,springs,washington,griffin and a couple of other veterens played at a probowl level.

young players like ryan clark, lamar marshall and pierce really did will with the exception of pierce who was flat out amazing. wynn looked good. noble looked good.

the point is, Gwilliams put the players in the position to play at their best. he got everything out of his players.

the flip side is Gibbs.
coles, gardner, portis(not that bad),brunell, samuels, and dockery all had the worst years of their careers.
gardner looked downright aweful at times, why didnt McCants, jacobs and/or thrash get playing time?

Gibbs didnt use portis to the best of his abilities.
all the routes were garbage. i cant believe we have a receiver with 80+ catches and doesnt have a 1000 yards...

redskins have one of the worst offences in the league with pretty good talent. gibbs gets an F.

willaims has some good talent,but some major holes. they are in my oppinon the best D in the league. williams gets an A+


so basicly its not fair to grade the offensive players except gardner and brunell. brunell was so terrible he couldnt even throw in a highschool offence.
gardner dropped too many balls thats not acceptible.

wait, you can also grade thrash for playing everywhere and doing it was class and maximum effort.


Why is not fair to grade the players? After all they're supposed to be making the plays, right? Wouldn't you grade the players based on performance? Players play, coaches coach. It's all about execution.

I don't get your grading system.

Curmudgeon -
When the highest grades on offense go to a rookie H-back, the backup RB, and the oft-injured right guard, the problem on offense should be evident.


I don't think Betts' B+ can be compared to Portis C or whatever. Betts has to be graded as a back-up based on his talent level, whereas Portis has to be graded as a starter (where standards are much higher) based on a much higher talent level. By no means does this mean that Betts performed better than Portis did.

Just saw this on the washinton times about Samuels. Gibbs thinks he had a good year and Samuels wants to stay. Does this mean he's willing to restructure??

Samuels' last hurrah?
Gibbs gave left tackle Chris Samuels a vote of confidence following what might have been the final Redskins game for the one-time Pro Bowl pick.
Speculation is swirling about Samuels' future following his fifth NFL season, in which he rebounded from lousy 2002 and 2003 seasons but participated in a generally erratic offensive line and didn't earn even alternate status for the Pro Bowl.
A 2001 Pro Bowl starter, Samuels could get traded or cut this offseason unless Washington can rework the $6.5 million he is scheduled to make in 2005. But Gibbs sounds eager to stick with Samuels, blaming himself for the one sack Samuels surrendered all year and even saying Samuels showed "real leadership" with right tackle Jon Jansen out.
"Chris had probably one of the best years," Gibbs said. "Other than that [one sack], I think he had a perfect year."
Said Samuels: "I thought I had a pretty good season overall. Last year, coming off the bad year, I really wasn't myself out there. I just didn't play like I wanted to. But this year, I made it a goal in my life to come back and be a pro — film work, weight room, everything it takes. I think I did just that."
Added Samuels: "I'm just looking forward to being back. I don't want to play for anyone else."

Samuels has already indicated he's willing to restructure, I personally hope we can keep him. Quality LT's aren't easy to find and we have other holes to fill without having to find another LT.

I'm tired of you all bad mouthing sean t because he is only a rookie and he has made some impressive plays for someone who did not even start the season(which was bs). Next year I don't expect him to give those plays. He's an impressive young safety who has the ability to become a bigger, faster, and stronger ronnie lott. Give him a break.

Why is not fair to grade the players? After all they're supposed to be making the plays, right? Wouldn't you grade the players based on performance? Players play, coaches coach. It's all about execution.

Okay - so every losing team simply just didn't execute their coaches plan? Spurrier didn't do well because our players didn't execute? Norv failed because players didn't execute? You can argue that forever, but he makes a good point. Greg Williams made all those defensive players look great when no one knew who they were while Gibbs made some players look great (Cooley) and make others look worse. I agree with a lot of jamf's post.

Okay - so every losing team simply just didn't execute their coaches plan? Spurrier didn't do well because our players didn't execute? Norv failed because players didn't execute? You can argue that forever, but he makes a good point. Greg Williams made all those defensive players look great when no one knew who they were while Gibbs made some players look great (Cooley) and make others look worse. I agree with a lot of jamf's post.

Spurrier didn't do well because he was running a college system in the NFL. Why do you keep on going back to Spurrier? Norv had no control over his own players. Everyone knows that. Even Spurrier lost some of his players last season.

So I guess Gibbs already failed, right? Norv had what 7 years? And your boy Spurrier quit.

Why is not fair to grade the players? After all they're supposed to be making the plays, right? Wouldn't you grade the players based on performance? Players play, coaches coach. It's all about execution.

I don't get your grading system.

if you put jeff gordan in a pinto, do you complain when he finishes last?

the WR's ran comeback routes all year. every DB in the league knows that no deep balls will be thrown.
receivers never had a chance to catch the ball while moving downfield. running backs never got into the secondary. all completed passes were dump passes.

coles had 80+ receptions and less than a 1000 yards receiving. it wasnt for lack of effort either.

do you grade coles for a crappy yards per catch or do yo grade for catches? or do you say he was given a pinto to drive...

if you put jeff gordan in a pinto, do you complain when he finishes last?

the WR's ran comeback routes all year. every DB in the league knows that no deep balls will be thrown.
receivers never had a chance to catch the ball while moving downfield. running backs never got into the secondary. all completed passes were dump passes.

coles had 80+ receptions and less than a 1000 yards receiving. it wasnt for lack of effort either.

do you grade coles for a crappy yards per catch or do yo grade for catches? or do you say he was given a pinto to drive...


All those things you pointed out falls on the O-line. Except for Coles. The WR's ran post routes, and flys. Problem is the QB didn't have enough time to throw. Or the QB wasn't accurate.

Redskins_P: Here's the point I'm trying to drive. Every coach in the history of the game can use the excuse "My players didn't execute." If your players throw, catch, block, run like you plan pre-game then of course you win. Jamf makes very good points and it's hard to give the offense a good grade. It wasn't their fault in my eyes, but still they didn't get any real production.

Will Gibbs turn it around - most likely. Do I want him to? Most definitely. Did he do it this year? Absolutely not.