Tampa Bay vs Washington Gameday Thread

I don't think this is true. Gibbs aquired the core of his team during 2000's was CPortis, Moss, Rogers, Marcus Washingnton, C. Griffin Phillip Daniels, etc. in 2004 & 2005. This core made the playoffs twice misleading everyone into the belief that it was a player or two away from taking the next step.

I would agree that since the original Gibbs make over, this team has not been rebuilt. I also agree that Shanallen seems to be committed to a full on rebuild, not just of the team, but the organization.

I would argue that trading away draft picks so you can put together a core of players based on a "win now" mentality does not constitute a rebuild in the true sense of the word. Gibbs wasn't in it for the long haul -- his time was limited. So he and Cerrato slapped together a patchwork group of veterans on the downside along with some pricey free agents at the expense of draft picks.

There was no building a solid foundation of young hungry players that we're seeing now. I'd say those two strategies are of completely different mindsets.

Shanny is the only coach that Danny has hired that has said from the start that it will take 5 yrs. He told Danny if that was not OK for him then he would need to find another coach. This is a coach and team that is truly rebuilding.

Exactly, and if what Bruce Allen says is right Shanahan has lot of say on what goes on (i.e. new indoor practice facility)

Clearly this is a rebuild to me in terms of approach. Now that doesn't mean that since we're rebuilding we should aim low, but clearly they understand that the culture as a whole is changing.

Don't use facts to tear me apart, only emotions.

The argument is still sound. We drafted 10 people not players that year.

Wow the Beck bandwagon got a little lighter after this game, huh?

I think some people forget he's only played 4 regular season games with a 0-9 team. He's basically a slightly older rookie out there.

Wow the Beck bandwagon got a little lighter after this game, huh?

I think some people forget he's only played 4 regular season games with a 0-9 team. He's basically a slightly older rookie out there.

No kidding, we already know what Rex is anyway. It's not like this is a certain playoff team no matter who plays QB. We might as well let Beck play and see if he can realize some of that potential.

My only problem with beck is that let's say he does have a ton of potential and that he realizes it this year. He'll be 31 next year, how many more years can we reasonably expect to get out of him.

I view both as stopgaps with Rex being a more known quantity. If beck was 25 or 26 I would want him without question. I can't think developing a qb in his 30s is going to work out for us long term. Even if he's Joe Montana this year we will still need to draft a qb in the next couple years.

I waiver back and forth on if it would be better for us to flop this year and start over with a 1st round qb or if we can win by having more game manager qbs.

Rich Gannon didn't flourish until he was like 34. It can be done.

Was at the game...great defense, great special teams, great offensive line play. It is going to be tough to make the cut. Out with the old, in with the new.

My only problem with beck is that let's say he does have a ton of potential and that he realizes it this year. He'll be 31 next year, how many more years can we reasonably expect to get out of him.

I view both as stopgaps with Rex being a more known quantity. If beck was 25 or 26 I would want him without question. I can't think developing a qb in his 30s is going to work out for us long term. Even if he's Joe Montana this year we will still need to draft a qb in the next couple years.

I waiver back and forth on if it would be better for us to flop this year and start over with a 1st round qb or if we can win by having more game manager qbs.


Yeah and in addition to Gannon, and speaking of Montana, Steve Young turned 30 or 31 during his blow up season (depending what season you consider is his blow up season).... And was more like a Mike Vick style QB who scrambled a lot and i would think has a shorter self life then a more pocket oriented passer.

Age doesnt mean a whole lot to me, part of the reason i say we should keep Stallworth over Paul. Age is important but not the only thing....