Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?

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GTripp0012
08-29-2011, 04:11 PM
I tellya, since when is getting interceptions a bad thing? Crazy talk.Who are you responding to?

GTripp0012
08-29-2011, 04:17 PM
I'm curious, and not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing but how many drops and TDs did Nnamdi and Revis each give up last year?Nnamdi dropped one. Revis dropped either zero or one.

Revis gave up 320 passing yards. Nnamdi gave up 202 yards. Hall gave up 933. Nnamdi didn't give up a passing TD, according to FO. Revis I don't think gave up any, but I have no hard data on that.

Keep in mind that all of this is based on the idea that teams keep throwing at Hall, and pretty much no one goes after Revis and Nnamdi anymore. Hence why Hall had six INTs and Revis/Nnamdi had none.

Also they did not play any games against Kolb, Cutler, or Stafford, who accounted for all of Halls INTs in 2010.

12thMan
08-29-2011, 04:18 PM
Who are you responding to?

Just the general sentiment on the board.

Bucket
08-29-2011, 04:26 PM
Revis and Nnamdi were also not part of the 31st ranked defense last year which teams were able to run against at will, and the only pass rush we could ever assemble was with Orakpo. Not to mention his help over the top was Doughty, Horton, and Moore.

I do believe Hall will have a outstanding season. I started this thread because like I said, for every stat you bring out, I cant can continue to develop more also.

Of course your arguement about Hall not developing more positive for his negative is funny. Since when we winning two games basically by yourself not more positive? You are just focused more on the negative of Hall then anything else. I could do the same for almost every player on the Redskins roster.

Edit: This thread is about the general sense of where Hall ranks in the Redskins, not the league. Ofcourse I could name about 4-7 CB's better then D. Hall in the NFL, and Revis, Nhamdi are just two of them. I'm speaking on behalf that Hall is the best CB on the Redskins, and he deserves #1 money

GTripp0012
08-29-2011, 04:29 PM
By the way, the "accepted" yardage conversion for an interception, if you assume 100% credit to the interceptor, is 45 yards. You could argue that either way, but that's the number that people who work with stats seem to be comfortable with. No, it's not set in stone.

5 x 45 = 225 yards created by DeAngelo Hall through his interceptions in 2010. If you want to add in his two TDs at 20 yards per event, we're up to 265 yards of value "created" by DeAngelo Hall in 2010. Eyeballing that, this is somewhere between half a win and a win added to the 2010 Redskins thanks to positive plays by DeAngelo Hall.

This all assumes that Jay Cutler and Johnnie Knox/Devin Hester were at zero percent fault for those four INTs in Chicago.

GTripp0012
08-29-2011, 04:31 PM
Of course your arguement about Hall not developing more positive for his negative is funny. Since when we winning two games basically by yourself not more positive? You are just focused more on the negative of Hall then anything else. I could do the same for almost every player on the Redskins roster.Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

12thMan
08-29-2011, 04:31 PM
Revis and Nnamdi were also not part of the 31st ranked defense last year which teams were able to run against at will, and the only pass rush we could ever assemble was with Orakpo. Not to mention his help over the top was Doughty, Horton, and Moore.

I do believe Hall will have a outstanding season. I started this thread because like I said, for every stat you bring out, I cant can continue to develop more also.

My thoughts exactly. For every stat someone points to that says Hall is a bum, there's another one that would suggest otherwise. It is what it is.

I'm glad we got him and I think it's safe to say whenever D.Hall takes one back to the house, even the most skeptical among us will be thrilled with the results.

12thMan
08-29-2011, 04:35 PM
Do it. I dare you.

Revis and Nnamdi were not part of the 31st ranked defense at least in small part because they weren't playing across from DeAngelo Hall. Carlos Rogers had no such luck.

So it seems like you're laying our low defensive ranking squarely at the feet of Deangelo Hall. If that's the argument you're mounting, I'd be interested in hearing how you arrive at that conclusion.

GTripp0012
08-29-2011, 04:35 PM
My thoughts exactly. For every stat someone points to that says Hall is a bum, there's another one that would suggest otherwise. It is what it is.This is 100% not true, which is exactly why you've seen a lack of partisan stats brought forward by the people who are spending most of their afternoon defending Hall's play. Clearly, it is not for a lack of effort on their part. It's just a lack of information to support their position.

It is what it is.

Bucket
08-29-2011, 04:37 PM
By the way, the "accepted" yardage conversion for an interception, if you assume 100% credit to the interceptor, is 45 yards. You could argue that either way, but that's the number that people who work with stats seem to be comfortable with. No, it's not set in stone.

5 x 45 = 225 yards created by DeAngelo Hall through his interceptions in 2010. If you want to add in his two TDs at 20 yards per event, we're up to 265 yards of value "created" by DeAngelo Hall in 2010. Eyeballing that, this is somewhere between half a win and a win added to the 2010 Redskins thanks to positive plays by DeAngelo Hall.

This all assumes that Jay Cutler and Johnnie Knox/Devin Hester were at zero percent fault for those four INTs in Chicago.

How many times are WR's or QB's not at fault during a INT? See? You're arguement is totally biased on the fact that all your negative approach toward D. Hall is based on your OWN belief that he's not a good CB for the Redskins.

In that total yardage allowed by Hall.. How many times did Moore, or Doughty/Horton blow coverage and not help over the top? How many times did the QB have more then 3 seconds to throw, or were we in Zone coverage? Blitz?

It's all biased statistical information and not even halfway accurate to what D. Hall actually does on the field. He produces plays..

2 defensive TD's, Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl MVP, 16 pass deflection, 6 INT's, and 95 tackles. All on the 31st ranked defense in the NFL

Sorry but there is not much more to argue about that.

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