Who do you want to start at QB?


FrenchSkin
08-24-2011, 04:21 PM
First and foremost, that's awesome -- a French Redskins fan. Are you legit french or an american expat/american parents but born in France?

Second, yeah we could have two qbs but its better IMO to have one unquestioned leader of the offense whom you want to have the ball with 90 seconds left to drive down the field and win the game.

no no, real French (I thought it was obvious when reading how I write), born in Toulouse , became skins fan... don't ask why ^^

Hard to describe (or compare to football) the situation in Rugby, but each team has a leader of the offense, undisputed starter, but it's no big deal if the back up starts a game because it's a "small game" (which no longer exists at high level) or just because the coach wants to give him a shot.
But in rugby, games last 80 minutes and there are very few stops, so you have to deal with players being exhausted 20 minutes before the end of the game because some plays can last several minutes, which you obviously don't have in football (unless if a coach designed a very sofisticated play in which he wanted all elligible players to pitch eachother the ball for 2 minutes to disturb the defense or win some time but I seriously doubt this would be efficient...)

tryfuhl
08-24-2011, 10:41 PM
I know I know, but this was a great breakdown of the performances vs each preseason start considering opponent, individual play, etc

Preseason breakdown: Grossman’s Game 1 vs Beck’s Game 2. Sex Cannon dominates 13-4 Steelers. Admiral Checkdown rolls over 4-18 Colts. Mike and Kyle Shanahan’s Jedi mind tricks confuse everyone. (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?352052-Preseason-breakdown-Grossman%92s-Game-1-vs-Beck%92s-Game-2.-Sex-Cannon-dominates-13-4-Steelers.-Admiral-Checkdown-rolls-over-4-18-Colts.-Mike-and-Kyle-Shanahan%92s-Jedi-mind-tricks-confuse-everyone.)

GTripp0012
08-24-2011, 10:57 PM
I know I know, but this was a great breakdown of the performances vs each preseason start considering opponent, individual play, etc

Preseason breakdown: Grossman’s Game 1 vs Beck’s Game 2. Sex Cannon dominates 13-4 Steelers. Admiral Checkdown rolls over 4-18 Colts. Mike and Kyle Shanahan’s Jedi mind tricks confuse everyone. (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?352052-Preseason-breakdown-Grossman%92s-Game-1-vs-Beck%92s-Game-2.-Sex-Cannon-dominates-13-4-Steelers.-Admiral-Checkdown-rolls-over-4-18-Colts.-Mike-and-Kyle-Shanahan%92s-Jedi-mind-tricks-confuse-everyone.)That guy spent about four more hours on a Redskins preseason game than I would spend on their entire preseason. And I think his point is pretty airtight. Kyle Shanahan's playing a pretty darn big perception game right now. And he's winning. See: the above poll.

SirClintonPortis
08-24-2011, 11:07 PM
Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

I suppose Peyton Manning "90% short and intermediate, 10% deep" ratio on his pass attempts disgusts you.

Here's the deal, NOT every short route is a ****ing checkdown. The checkdown is the LAST or "panic" option in the play. A quick slant or a quick out is not a ****ing checkdown because it's an early read.

Chico23231
08-24-2011, 11:15 PM
Ok, back with a beginner wondering: why does it seem unthinkable to have two quaterbacks? .


U need one guy and its due more for the rhythm and chemistry of the team. Its easier for the rest of the guys say the WRs on know how 1 guy throws the ball and when its gonna be deliveryed. Same for the RB getting the ball and the Oline getting use to the style of how far one guy drops back oppose to another, how he scrambles, etc. Its easier for the rest of the guys to adjust their game to one guy and creates chemistry and trust. I think it mentally much easier for one QB who knows he is the man and what he expects from the coaches. Rotating doors at starters spots in football just doesnt work as well unless say RB and that done to keep the D on its toes. Rotating door at QB usually turns into a distraction for the team.

CRedskinsRule
08-24-2011, 11:23 PM
Have they announced the starter for the ravens game? I heard both will play with the firsts, any idea how that is going to be structured?

tryfuhl
08-25-2011, 12:09 AM
I suppose Peyton Manning "90% short and intermediate, 10% deep" ratio on his pass attempts disgusts you.

Here's the deal, NOT every short route is a ****ing checkdown. The checkdown is the LAST or "panic" option in the play. A quick slant or a quick out is not a ****ing checkdown because it's an early read.

1 out of 10 deep is a team that stretches...

Grossman avgd 6 yards in the air per pass in his start, 7 without that 2 min hurry up, mostly no huddle drive

Beck's passes avgd 3 yards in the air vs the colts, a much softer preseason team (30th ranked preseason D vs Steelers 2nd ranked last year)

Grossman had more good decisions, less bad ones, and no self-caused sacks in each of their starts

jonny5dicky
08-25-2011, 12:33 AM
Grossman is the best quarterback that's been in Washington in forever. He's the Redskins future as in the next 3-4 years not sorry ass beck, get real.

mooby
08-25-2011, 01:00 AM
Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

Checkdowns are a result of wideouts not getting open or offensive lines not giving enough time for the qb to make his reads, not an indication of a bad quarterback. So if Beck is the checkdown king this season, it will mean we are worse off at wideout or o-line than we've been led to believe.

SirClintonPortis
08-25-2011, 01:25 AM
1 out of 10 deep is a team that stretches...

Grossman avgd 6 yards in the air per pass in his start, 7 without that 2 min hurry up, mostly no huddle drive

Beck's passes avgd 3 yards in the air vs the colts, a much softer preseason team (30th ranked preseason D vs Steelers 2nd ranked last year)

Grossman had more good decisions, less bad ones, and no self-caused sacks in each of their starts
Late EDIT: First of all, the Colts have the 13th ranked passing D while having the 30th overall D. That should tell you something about their run D.

Averages don't tell you if the men were open in the first place.

Self-caused sacks? On his second sack had the camera zoomed in and thus the WRs were no longer in the picutre. It very well could have been a coverage sack

The first one, his reads were from left-to-right. Trent was beat and had he pulled the trigger, it would have been an incompletion or interception.

The third one had his reads from right-to-left. The BLINDSIDE backup absolutely embarassed Trent Williams and hence he couldn't hit either of his targets on the left(the RB checkdown).

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