Forget Trotter, why not drop Samuels?

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EEich
03-16-2004, 12:15 AM
I think Samuels is fine this year... but next year he'll have to renegotiate or get cut. We should draft Taylor this year. We have a full boat of draft picks next year and should be able to find a replacement OT in that draft.

offiss
03-16-2004, 01:44 AM
IMO whiney out played samuel's when he had the chance, and there you have it, the way samuel's played he should take a pay cut, but is he? no! I would like to think gibb's will have a real positive effect on samuels, but I don't know if his presence can make samuel's any quicker, he was slow as molasas last season.

JWsleep
03-16-2004, 02:10 AM
Give Samuels a year with Gibbs and Bugel before you dump him. He's got pro-bowl talent. No one looked good under Spurrier/Helton. Plus he was nicked up. I look for a resurgance this year.

You gotta pay someone. He's relatively young and definetely talented. He just needs someone to light a fire under his ass, and Bugel is just the man to spark the match.

AnonEmouse
03-16-2004, 06:57 AM
I agree - see what Gibbs et all can do with the line and O in general, before we start throwing good players out with the trash.

Also consider that whilst Brunell is a lefty and may well start, there's every chance Ramsey will be playing some next year. I would rather have Samuels in there than Winey.

However, if he doesn't pick up and won't renegotiate, trade/release him next off season and draft a replacement.

Defensewins
03-16-2004, 11:55 AM
No offensive lineman is worth a $10M cap figure. A QB maybe, but not an offensive lineman no.
I am starting to get sick of the Redskins poor handling of the cap. Every year we are overspending our future and ask good, loyal players to take a pay cut, so we can compensate for our poor planning.
Samuels and Arrington's big cap numbers is money that is owed to them because they agreed to help the team out by taking a lower cap number early in their career/contract, in exchange for a big payday later in their contract. However when the time comes for the big pay day, the Redskins (and other NFL teams) say sorry we have no cap space, either take a pay cut or get cut. They do this because the Redskins live in a win now at whtever the cost in the future.
In the real business world your credibility and your business would be ruined if you behaved like that. However, since the NFL lives and works in a Monopoly situation, they can do whatever they want, and tell the talented, loyal players to f*#* off.

Carnage
03-16-2004, 01:10 PM
All of our O-line is going to look much better this year because the D won't be able to Key on the QB. Samuels is going to look a lot better blocking down hill.

SkinsRock
03-16-2004, 02:12 PM
Defensewins:
EVERY team asks players to restructure/take a pay cut. Most NFL contracts are done that way, knowing that it will eventually come to that.
Yeah it may not work in the real world, but in the real world, do the best workers usually make the same or more than their managers??? I think not. The NFL seems to work under different rules.

Shane
03-16-2004, 02:26 PM
I think you have to throw out the last couple of years to the highly unorthodox blocking scheme of Spurrier as far as judging Samuels. With Joe Bugel on the job, we'll see Chris Samuels return to Pro Bowl form, as he will be asked to play in a system he will be much more comfortable with.

As far as renegotiating his contract, that is something he will in all likelihood have to do. I wouldn't worry about the comments coming from his agent about Ramsey, who he also represents. The agent is making comments like that because that is what agents do to look good to all their other clients and prospective clients.

themurf
03-16-2004, 02:32 PM
Don't mess with the offensive line. They're going to be awesome this season. They gave up a ton of sacks last year (43 sacks, I think). But only gave up 17 sacks in the last 8 games. They gave up four of those sacks in the season finale against Philly (when everyone had already thrown in the towel on the season). So they were starting to gel. Now they'll be lining up for a coach who demands perfection from his O-line. These guys will be ready to go when the season rolls around and all of them will be much improved from last year. Even Samuels.

johnnyredskin63
03-16-2004, 05:34 PM
i do'nt believe any OL in the history of the league is worth a 10 million dollar cap hit.
he has not played up to par the last two years,get him to reneg.if that does'nt happen
just go from there.

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