Creative route running for WRs

Isn't Indys O-Coordinator like 70 years old?

Isn't Indys O-Coordinator like 70 years old?
yeah something like that, chalk one up for the old guys

yeah something like that, chalk one up for the old guys


yeah I guess these old guys can't adapt to todays NFL!

On Monday Night Football, Al Michaels interviewed Manning about his record breaking touchdown throw to Stokely. Manning said that the play was not designed, and that in the huddle, Manning ordered Stokely to fake the post and run the deep-in pattern. They had thrown several hitches to Reggie Wayne throughout the game, and the safety bit hard when Wayne ran yet another short hitch route. That opened up Stokely leaving only the other safety who got caught heading toward the corner of the endzone thinking it was a post pattern.

Gibbs once said back in his first stint with the Skins, that he didn't like the West Coast styled slant pattern because that often exposed the wideouts to devastating hits across the middle.

Gibbs called several wide receiver screens this year, and other than the first Dallas game, rarely called for bombs to WRs on the fly. From what I saw, and I watched practically every offensive play this year, screens to the running back were virtually non-existant. There might have been one or two slant patterns, but that's about it.

Another pattern I rarely saw was basic deep-in and deep-out routes. Same for the crossing patterns too.

We also have to consider though, that these routes may well have been in the game plan, it's just that this year, our quarterbacks simply didn't complete them, or our wide receivers weren't able to get open.

My personal belief is that Gibbs was really just trying to keep Ramsey from self-destructing, so he put together this crap offense just for the year. I think in Gibb's master plan Ramsey would not be playing for 2 years or so. I think now that the year is basically over, he'll work with Ramsey all offseason and install the real Gibbs offense for next year. Plus i truly believe that with a year under Joe Bugel, Jon Jansen coming back and a new center I think our offensive line will be very solid.

Wouldn't a double move or creative route running also lead to many more PI or Illegal Contact penelties? Therefore moving the ball for us?


Absolutly! I said it in a couple of post's about crossing routes, that's how Coles was used in NY, I don't see any creativity with Gibb's, team's know our pass routes by heart they all know where our reciever's are going and the routes are easy to cover, I am not a big Brunell fan even before we signed him but not even Brunell is as bad as he looked in this offense, Martz hold's his team hostage with his QB, well Gibb's hold's his QB's hostage with his offense.

My personal belief is that Gibbs was really just trying to keep Ramsey from self-destructing, so he put together this crap offense just for the year. I think in Gibb's master plan Ramsey would not be playing for 2 years or so. I think now that the year is basically over, he'll work with Ramsey all offseason and install the real Gibbs offense for next year. Plus i truly believe that with a year under Joe Bugel, Jon Jansen coming back and a new center I think our offensive line will be very solid.


If that's the case Ramsey will be looking at retirement before he can run this offense, I understand that a QB takes time to learn a system but if Gibb's system takes 3 year's to learn what happen's if there's an injury? Or with free agency you lose your backup? This is a game, were not splitting the atom here, there is no reason why we aren't better than we are, where is the progress? We are going backward's not forward's, Gibb's treat's the offense as if the world is going to end on the next turnover, Bottom line not throwing downfield this year is downright border's on stupidity team's are racking up big play after big play because of the new rules, as well as penalty after penalty, and Gibb's coaches as if there are 15 player's in the defensive secondary.

If that's the case Ramsey will be looking at retirement before he can run this offense, I understand that a QB takes time to learn a system but if Gibb's system takes 3 year's to learn what happen's if there's an injury? Or with free agency you lose your backup? This is a game, were not splitting the atom here, there is no reason why we aren't better than we are, where is the progress? We are going backward's not forward's, Gibb's treat's the offense as if the world is going to end on the next turnover, Bottom line not throwing downfield this year is downright border's on stupidity team's are racking up big play after big play because of the new rules, as well as penalty after penalty, and Gibb's coaches as if there are 15 player's in the defensive secondary.
Hey man I agree with everything you just said. I'm just confused because I don't understand how a coach can go from throwing the ball way downfield in his first tenure, to what we have not. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It has been said there are three things which can happen when you pass the ball and only one of those is good . The Vertical passing game works if you have established or outstanding WR or QB or both andand excellent QB-receiver relationship. Without it you end up with bloody mess of QB, we saw it last year and why do people think it would be any different now .

The run first attitude means yes you will have 8-9 men in the box to stop the run but surely that is better than them sending 9 or even 10 blitzers as happened last year because they had no resepect for the pass or the run.

You mean like the Mushin Muhammad Jake Delhomme hook up going downfield constantly? Mushin Muhammad thought to be too old and too slow to be a productive receiver and jake delhomme as himself. How about rookie WR and sophmore QB in Roy Williams and Joey Harrington. They've hooked up for numerous big plays this year (granted Roy Williams in my opinion is the best receiver out of college since Moss.)

You can argue every team has an outstanding #1 WR. Some have more. Only teams without one are Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore, Chargers, Chicago, Tampa Bay (clayton's looking mighty good), San Fransisco, Broncos, Browns.
Out of those teams: Atlanta, KC, Bmore, Chargers, Browns all rely on on a TE to be a critical receiver on their team. (Added the Browns because Davis was said to of formed an offense around WInslow, then he got hurt, so still yet to see)