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Daseal 12-30-2004, 11:56 AM Celts makes some decent points. I wouldn't call him a trainwreck by any means, but he has had quite a few dropped balls this year, Im guessing about on par with Gardner. He also doesn't make a game-changing play very often, however none of our receivers do. I attribute that to the schemes.
I like Coles, but I also think an Edwards/Williams type to be our #1 would be best. Maybe not #1 eventually, but either way a mean duo!
cpayne5 12-30-2004, 12:09 PM I would estimate that Coles has dropped 10-15 balls this year. 95% of those were in 4-5 games following his dislocated finger that he re-set himself. Have you watched all of the games this year? Have you noticed how his production has escalated since Ramsey has been playing? If you saw last year's first few games, do you remember the kind of production he was having before the toe injury?
Daseal 12-30-2004, 12:18 PM Before this, before that. He has the toe injury and it doesn't seem to be getting much better. A healthy Coles is explosive with very solid hands, this year has been a down year. For everyone on the offensive side of the ball. It's hard to judge.
cpayne5 12-30-2004, 12:20 PM Before this, before that. He has the toe injury and it doesn't seem to be getting much better. A healthy Coles is explosive with very solid hands, this year has been a down year. For everyone on the offensive side of the ball. It's hard to judge.
Would you say that his is a trainwreck and not worthy of being called a #1 receiver in this league? That's what I take exception too.
diehardskin2982 12-30-2004, 02:02 PM Coles regaurdless showed more heart than anyone else on that feild offensively and he needs a good reciever to complement him. there will not be a number 1 it would be threats. similar to the colts
SkinsRock 12-30-2004, 02:14 PM We have a very nice WR corps. There is no need to draft another one with a high pick. Coles will be back to his early 2003 form next year after his toe surgery this off-season. Gardner is a good complimentary receiver, and has won over Gibbs with his work ethic, so I would be very surprised if they trade or release him....unless Gibbs likes McCants more than he has shown, and they use Rod as trade bait.
Basically, in my opinion, WR is the last position we should pick for in the draft....at least in the first few rounds.
skin4Life28 12-30-2004, 02:40 PM Nobody knows if coles is going to have the surgery, Gibbs says he is optimistic about it. If Mike Williams is available at our draft spot, there is absoluetly no way you can pass on that talent. I mean you cannot name me another 6-5 reciever in the league that has as much upside as Williams. And don't say Moss he is 6-4 and we all know what he can do. This is a very weak draft this year and we are really in the driver's seat due to our record. Mike Williams is the best overall rated player in this year's draft in many people's minds, especially Mel Kiper who is the draft god. That man's hair is incredible by the way. Let's say we draft Williams. He immeidatly becomes a starter you now have Coles and Williams, Gardner is traded. Williams will draw double teams right away, so we have 9 people left on defense. Coles will get a lot of single coverage and we use a lot of 3 wide. So we would be looking at 7 in the box. Making it a little easier to run. Another thing that people tend to forget about Williams is his ability to block. Now we can run to the outside since our recievers will be able to hold a block long enough for Portis.
diehardskin2982 12-30-2004, 02:56 PM why not keep gardner, and coles draft williams and lose McCants
Coles is a gamer no what what anyone may say. I think the majority of us realize that.
Gardner on the other hand is very replaceable. He's proven to be a decent #2 and that's about it. Who knows though, it might be worth bringing him back in his contract year to play his tail off for the big money. Gibbs has praised him for his work ethic, so who knows what exactly our plans will be for him.
Daseal 12-30-2004, 03:14 PM I don't feel Mike Williams will draw double teams right away. They'll make him establish himself. His speed doesn't cause a huge problem for DBs so I think if they have a big type corner, a Springs prototype would lock him down fairly well.
I like him, and he has potential for sure, but he won't command respect in an instant.
We need something on offense, I feel receiver. Get Williams, keep Gardner/McCants, once Gardners contract is up get rid of him, you still have Jacobs for the slot speed and McCants for a big lineup.
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