Drafting Mike Williams

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Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor
12-29-2004, 08:31 AM
i think we should cut brunell take the hit, if pierce wants to become an unrestricted fa let him go. I love pierce to death but we can't used up the money on the mlb position. we desperately need to make our o-line the best in the league to let cp take us to the promiseland along with protecting ramsey. In the draft we need a pass rusher on the line with griffin and our blitz packages. Mr. James would be a nice fit out of wisconsin (he even looks like a redskin) in the second round look at the og from miami, michigan(baas i think). i love mike williams but we are a smash mouth team who would rather run than throw so i think that kind of money should not be wasted on a wr but rather a de or the awful o-line. Also, samuels isn't the bad he has made the pro bowl for like two years in a row.
CP is the best back in the game. Sean T is the best safety in the game(E.Reed)

GoSkins!
12-29-2004, 08:48 AM
I agree. Trade down, get a center and a d-lineman. Maybe another TE to compliment Cooley. Draft or steal a big third down back. Keep our receivers, if they are allowed to open up, they have plenty of talent.

There is not much of a need to make big changes to either side of the ball. If we can generate 1 more TD a game, we win most of our games. 21 points a game (minimum) needs to be an offesive goal. If you look back at our games this year, a big nasty center and a big nasty back that can power through for a yard would have made the difference between field goals and touchdowns way to many times.

To really assess what we need, we need to evaluate exactly what stopped our drives and what kept points off the board in our current system. Don't forget, even though we don't open it up a lot, our system keeps our defense off the field by using methodical long drives that eat up and control the clock. Thats part of why the defense is ranked where they are.

Keep the system, tweek it to exploit the defensive pass interference, and add power to the o-line and backfield.

FRPLG
12-29-2004, 08:49 AM
You never trade down for cap reasosn. As soon as you start letting the cap dictate who you draft you are in trouble. In any given draft there are 4 or 5 major impact players who can come in and play at a high level early in their careers. There may be another 20-25 guys who will develop into quality players. The rest range anywhere from one or two year decent starters to quality backups to not even making the team. If you have a chance to get a guy who is an imediate impact guy like Williams you DO NOT pass it up. You do what it takes to make it work. That being said...WR are generally never impact players thye usually take a couple seaons to become impact guys.

MTK
12-29-2004, 09:07 AM
You never trade down for cap reasosn. As soon as you start letting the cap dictate who you draft you are in trouble. In any given draft there are 4 or 5 major impact players who can come in and play at a high level early in their careers. There may be another 20-25 guys who will develop into quality players. The rest range anywhere from one or two year decent starters to quality backups to not even making the team. If you have a chance to get a guy who is an imediate impact guy like Williams you DO NOT pass it up. You do what it takes to make it work. That being said...WR are generally never impact players thye usually take a couple seaons to become impact guys.
I tend to agree with you on not letting the cap dictate your draft strategy.

SKINSnCANES
12-29-2004, 10:12 AM
What other receivers are out there. Larry Fitzgerald and Roy Williams were the top two taken but look at the other guys in that list. Clayton had an amazing year. Lee Evans is becoming a threat. That guy for Carolina filled in with all their injury. I think Woods, the 49ers pick, was one of the only ones that didnt do well and most of them have very small contracts. Mike Williams is probably a waste of money, expecially since he didnt play last year.

We should trade down, draft the end from Wisconsin, pick up an extra pick and go from there.

As always, we have to wait and see how many of our picks we trade away.

FRPLG
12-29-2004, 11:26 AM
Not one of the receivers drafted in the last draft would have made an impact on this team...plaina nd simple. Not one of them was so scary good that they would transcend the crapiness of our offense. An impact receiver like Moss, Harrison, Owens, C Johnson they are not...yet. The only guy to come into the league in fact and have a truely psoitive affect in the last few years was Moss. Even Boldin didn't make his team much better. He just caught EVERY BALL they threw. No one else did squat. An impact receiver makes the second receiver look like a number one. Alvin harper anyone? They guy was worthless but having a true impact receiver like Irvin made him look like the next coming of Lynn Swan or something. he sucked and it showed up when he was the man. Peerless Price comes to mind also. Mike Williams may be an impact guy down the road but I don't like him for us NOW. He is going to go in the top 5 either way so we most likely wont have a shot at him but if we do then we should trade down SLIGHTLY...like two or three spots and get a tackle or DE. Cap consierations are irrelevant.

Drift Reality
12-29-2004, 12:46 PM
I just think it doesn't make much sense to go after Mike Williams especially with our needs elsewhere.

We need an Alvin Harper type deep threat.

cpayne5
12-29-2004, 01:28 PM
I think that if Mike Williams is there for the taking when it's our turn to pick, we will get some very interesting trade offers. Too bad Ditka isn't coaching anywhere this go around.

itvnetop
12-29-2004, 06:07 PM
My school of thought is you don't trade down if someone of top 5 caliber is there for your pick (unless it's a qb that you can't use)... there was no way we were trading down from nabbing either sean taylor or kwII last year for a lower pick because both players had way too much potential to pass on.

Sure the skins can trade down and nab a decent DE and O-lineman... But I was reading the Clinton Portis article in the Post today and it says despite the switch to zone blocking, CP can't run on 8 and 9 man fronts. I don't care if you put Orlando Pace on our line, Portis still ain't gonna have success against those numbers.

Basically meaning, if our only perceived threat is Portis, we need to find another threat. I love Coles to death, but even if he's healthy would anyone argue that having Mike opposite him is detrimental to the overall scheme of the offense? We've mentioned Roy Williams, Michael Clayton, Lee Evans, and Anquan Boldin all having first year impacts. You look at their respective offenses, and they are not much different that the Skins: Detroit with Harrington/Jones, TB with Johnson/Pittman, Bills with Bledsoe/McGahee, AZ with whoever. How would Williams not be able to contribute immediately?

The skins would at least have to take a look at the physical freak that Mike is... he's a healthy 6-5 and weighs 228 pounds. You can't teach that size. He came to USC b/c the florida schools tried to recruit him as a TE, thinking he couldn't play the wideout position.

He's not just big, he was the strongest receiver in the land his sophmore year. He runs routes and he never drops the ball. He's not just potential either... in just two years in school:

frosh year: 81 catches/1265 yards/14 TDs
soph year: 95 catches/1314 yards/16 TDs

His first year, Carson Palmer won the Heisman after four years of ineptitude as SC's quarterback... part of the reason lies with Norm Chow's schemes... BMW was responsible for the other half.

His soph year, Matt Leinart became a Heisman finalist his first year starting as QB- you can attribute most of that Williams as well.

That said, the guy is just plain bigger than anyone who covers him (make that two or three guys that tried to cover him on any given play in college). When the Skins offense has been clicking the past month, we're still having problems in the red zone. You don't think Ramsey would love to have Mike back there for a fade route? People are also looking for a deep threat right? Who do you think was on the receiving end of Carson/Matt's fly routes for TDs? How good would Lavernues be with the secondary flowing towards Mike's side? Well, just ask Keary Colbert, who went on to set Trojan wide receiving records as D-coordinators spent sleepless nights devising ways to stop Mike.

Sure, he could bust like many high drafted wideouts- but then again his pure physical nature combined with his two years of college stats predict a high probability of success in the NFL. Once this guy learns how to play in the big league, no cover corner will be able to stop him one on one. Defenses will have to honor that and things will open up for Portis- he won't have to see 9 stacking the box on first and second down. As the 1b receiver, Coles is gonna have a field day. There's gonna be a lot more room in the flat for Cooley as well. Williams isn't just another receiver, he's a weapon that changes the entire dynamic of the offense.

celts32
12-29-2004, 06:55 PM
We don't need a Mike Willams. Coles will do as #1. and he is only 26. If you want to draft a #2, I can understand.

Just because we gave Coles a #1 WR contract it does not mean that he is one. No seperation and sometimes suspect hands. He's a good #2 but a trainwreck as a #1...

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