Gibb's press confrence.

How about we just give him the time necessary to turn a team around.

People have been saying the game has passed him by since very early in the season, that's just ridiculous.

The problem I have with this whole thing and my reasoning for saying he doesn't have it anymore is this, he doesn't see thing's for what they are, why would we have a consevative passing game when everybody on the planet is chucking the ball downfield? Gibb's is living in the past, with the new can't remotly touch the reciever rule you have to throw deep to many good thing's can happen not to, and Gibb's is throwing pass pattern's on 3rd down's short of first down yardage constantly, throw it deep you have a good chance of a penalty, or here's a thought you might complete it for a first down, if it's picked off big deal it's like a punt anyway, Gibb's keep's saying everytime he's asked why he doesn't take shot's downfield? And he say's we took a lot of shot's downfield, Im not seeing it where are we taking shot's downfield? Obviously the people who keep asking these question's aren't seeing it either yet he insist's we are, somebody here inform me of what I am missing, Gibb's said what's in the past as far as his accomplishment's are in the past they don't count anymore, well I agree I am evaluating him for what he has done so far this year, and the problem is not that we are losing, it's how we are losing that is the big concern, I don't want to hear after a press confrence of how good the cowboy's defense is, IT'S NOT GOOD! In other word's Gibb's tries to credit the vaunted Dallas defense with stopping our offense, rather than crediting our pathetic offense which he is in charge of for stopping itself!

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So, after 15 games you already think Gibbs can't do it anymore? After being out of the game for 12 years? You only give him one season?

See, this is the problem with us Redskins fans. We want everything to be fixed right away. 12 years of mediocrity will suddenly change after 15 games? So, now what? We need another new head coach? Make the players learn another scheme again? Go after more expensive free agents? Open up the passing game? Last year when we did have a "downfield" passing game, wasn't our QB getting killed? And we still ended up with a 5-11 record!

I agree Redskins_P and I made a similar point in another thread. We could open up the offense for what it's worth and play the 'chuck and duck' style we had the last 2 years and in the process get Ramsey pounded in to the turf. That philosophy got us 12 wins the last 2 years.

We will see the offense open up when we have a line that can properly protect the QB. Having Jansen back will make a huge difference, and hopefully some other upgrades (center) will also make a difference.

12 wins > 10 we're on track for. With better assistants I'd say we could go to an 8 or 9 win season without much problem with the "chuck and duck"

Offiss and I aren't calling for a resignation. However, I personally can't understand the blind faith and sticking up for his actions when 95% of all unbiased observers I've talked to agree that it is playcalling and not execution killing us. I think because you're in love with Gibbs it's clouding your vision. Every coach has 3 years in my book, that includes my boy Spurrier. He had one more year to take a decent run at the playoffs before I wanted someone new. I give the same courtesy to every coach, but that doesn't mean I have to stand by their every move till that three year grace period is up.

Daseal, why do you call it "blind" faith?

I mean, Gibbs is a proven coach. Not to mention he's in the HOF. Whats wrong with having faith in that?


Look, I respect your opinion, and all your criticizm. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that people think that Gibbs is sooo stubborn that he won't change his ways. That's rediculous.

If we could consistantly execute like we did in the second Giants game would anyone still have a problem with the Gibbs system? The problem that we have now is personel. Gibbs likes to line up and dare you to stop him. We will do fine against weaker teams.
The problem today is that Gibbs may be a victim of the cap and have to change his philosophy. I think that he will identify the weak links (players) this year and fill them in the offseason. He will then try to run his style of football again. If it still doesn't work, I believe he will change philosophy, coaching, coaches, or anything that he has to so that he can win. He will change is he needs to because he can't stand to lose. That is why he spends all the long hours at work.
AND, why do I keep hearing about "Marty Ball"? Yes, the guy is having a good year in SD, and I'm sure he would have done good here. At the start of this year people were talking about him not lasting the season if his team didn't shape up. Everyone should learn a lesson about how a little patience can pay big dividends.

How about having the same head coach, offensive and defensive "coordinators" (the play-callers...Gibbs and Williams) for more than one year for the first time in what, 6 years???
I'd like to see Gibbs bring in a younger offensive mind into the mix, but even if he doesn't, I have "seeing" faith (NOT blind) that the Skins will be improved next year. All along he has said that this is a process, and while I'm sure he didn't plan for the season to go the way it has gone, he and the coaching staff will sit back and figure out what to do to fix things. This includes weeding out non-core players, deciding where we need help and/or depth and tweaking the system better to the core players' strengths and to "today's NFL, etc...

To Daseal it's blind faith if you don't place the majority of the blame for the offensive woes on Gibbs.

I really wish we didn't lose the board back in February, because I would love to read you defending Spurrier's horrible coaching job. I don't recall you placing 85% of the blame on your boy last year.

Matty: I admitted on several occasions, just like I do now, that Spurrier had a brunt of the blame. 85% of the blame went on the coaching staff, just like this year. However, I didn't have much beef with Spurriers offense (you know, the part of the game he controled) as I did with Heston and Edwards. This year with Bugel and Williams there's little to complain about, both assistants are doing well and a majority of the problems come from the offensive play calling. Guess who does that? Last year you blamed Spurrier for all the problems, even though he left the defense alone. Imagine if Greg Williams regressed with our defense like Gibbs regressed with our offense. You'd be blaming Williams right now, not Gibbs. You simply are too loyal to admit any wrong doing.

I also would LOVE to see the board from last Feburary so I can see you ripping Spurrier for playcalling after putting up two TDs and a FG or two. Or maybe for throwing it into the endzone instead of running it up the gut 3 times for a FG.