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skinsfan69 08-09-2011, 12:10 PM Disappointing? So you'd rather trade for a guy who can't contribute? Look at Gaffney's stats for the past 3 years, he's a solid contributor and has been the #2 for Denver with Royal and Marshall's regular absences from the field.
Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Hankerson
much better than
Moss, Armstrong, Galloway, Roydell Williams (2010)
and also better than
Moss, Randel El, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly (2009)
Heck, I'd take it over Coles, Gardner, Thrash and Taylor Jacobs too.
This is the best WR group we've had since the Posse. Beyond those first four are solid depth possibilities with Austin, Banks, Paul, Robinson, Stallworth, Kelly...
I'd rather the young guys play, get experience and let them grow. We're not going anywhere this year so why slow the development of young players? Why draft Austin if you're not going to give the guy a chance? And this is not the best wr's since the Posse. No way.
skinsfan69 08-09-2011, 12:19 PM Gaffney had 65 catches as the Broncos #2 last year. I don't think it's a bad thing that he's the early favorite to be the #2, at least to start the season. The rooks have a lot to learn in a very condensed time period. Not sure it's reasonable to expect any of them to contribute a whole lot early on.
But this is not a playoff team. Right? So let em learn and get experience. Let's see how it plays out Fri. Really looking forward to some of the young guys getting some game time to show what they can do.
NC_Skins 08-09-2011, 12:23 PM Malcolm Kelly gives the saddest interview of training camp - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/malcolm-kelly-gives-the-saddest-interview-of-training-camp/2011/08/09/gIQArWzY4I_blog.html)
Time's up for Kelly. Even he knows he's about to get axed. Sad sad tale.
Lotus 08-09-2011, 12:26 PM Gaffney had 65 catches as the Broncos #2 last year. I don't think it's a bad thing that he's the early favorite to be the #2, at least to start the season. The rooks have a lot to learn in a very condensed time period. Not sure it's reasonable to expect any of them to contribute a whole lot early on.
I liked Jarmon but he wasn't going to contribute. I think Gaffney was one of our better offseason pickups.
But this is not a playoff team. Right? So let em learn and get experience. Let's see how it plays out Fri. Really looking forward to some of the young guys getting some game time to show what they can do.
As the season goes on sure, ease them in. But to toss them out there with limited knowledge & experience with the playbook and route running at this level doesn't help anyone.
NLC1054 08-09-2011, 12:43 PM Well they draft 50 wr's then play them with the first team and see what they can do. Why draft all these guys and hand a journeymen the #2 spot? Just makes me shake my head.
Um...because he earned his spot?
That's what Shanny does. You have to earn your spot. I'm sure if a rookie was outplaying Jabar Gaffney then he'd be lower on the depth chart. They aren't. We all know that these guys have to EARN their way onto the football field. That's the tone Mike set last year, and that's the way it will be.
Bucket 08-09-2011, 12:45 PM I'd rather the young guys play, get experience and let them grow. We're not going anywhere this year so why slow the development of young players? Why draft Austin if you're not going to give the guy a chance? And this is not the best wr's since the Posse. No way.
This is the worse logic ive ever heard. I'm sick of hearing about this.. "Letting the young guys develop"
They are going to develop by just being at the game, playing Special Teams, and earning the starting job. Shanahan has already proven that the hardest working, and best will play before the rest. So if Jabar is playing and looking better then the younger guys, then he should play. He's under contract as well. We are here to win football games, and if Jabar gives us the best chance of winning, then i'm all for him starting.
This is not a Madden video game where you think your going to draft 7 players in the draft and play them all in the top of the depth chart. The NFL is about putting the pieces together and winning, and to continue winning. Vets, Rookies, and Journeyman alike.. In all of football, how many teams ahve you seen in the NFL start more then 3-4 rookies? Yeah, there are teams with YOUNGER rosters, but since the Redskins took the FA team approach for so many years we have a ways to go, but why cant we just WIN NOW!? I'm tired of hearing this "Let's continue to build, and develop stuff"
If I was London Fletcher, or Santana Moss and heard you guys saying stuff like this, I would slap you in your cheek like those old duelers did.
CRedskinsRule 08-09-2011, 01:03 PM I want to say again how much I like the way this team is being built. for those complaining about the younger guys not being listed higher, or for those complaining about roydell and galloway last year, look at it a different way - Those two receivers were excellent practice guys, they gave the younger players challenges every day in practice, and gave the young guys a goal toward beating. They are gone now, their time is over, so MS and BA bring in fresher medium to good talent, again all with good work ethic, and now the young guys are training with another solid, but non-star guys. Guys that the younger players might think they can knock off, if they practice hard enough. Heck Banks knocked Roydell off last year somewhat, AA definitely did. Think of the message and attitude that is being developed. Hopefully some hunger and pride is being built up. FAR FAR BETTER than bringing in the latest big name, and letting the young pups figure what the heck, they aren't starting me in anyway shape or form.
This is the way training camp should be, competition at every spot, and motivated, spirited practice to weed out the worst, and let the best rise to the top.
mlmpetert 08-09-2011, 01:10 PM Well they draft 50 wr's then play them with the first team and see what they can do. Why draft all these guys and hand a journeymen the #2 spot? Just makes me shake my head.
I meant to post this a while back in this thread. Last year Shanahan drafted Austin and added Banks and Armstrong as UDFA's and placed Kelly on IR instead of cutting him. Banks and Armstrong contributed, Austin didnt. This year we added Hankerson and Paul as rookie WR's, plus a whole bunch FA's and a couple UDFA's. I think Shanahan just likes to overload at a position of need for competition or to set a tone or precedence or whatever. For fans it can suck because its hard to fall in love with a guy like Banks or Armstrong and then see him knocked down the depth chart or cut but its probably whats best for the team.
-Shanahan tends to draft in bulk:
It is known that the Redskins offensive line is in shambles at this point. Don't be surprised to see Shanahan draft in bulk along the line. Like serious bulk. A few years ago he drafted Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder in the first and second round respectively. A couple years prior we needed a cornerback opposite Champ. Starting in the second round Shanahan drafted Darrent Williams, Domonique Foxworth and Karl Paymah all in succession.
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/34635-thoughts-of-a-broncos-fan.html
Monkeydad 08-09-2011, 01:34 PM I'd rather the young guys play, get experience and let them grow. We're not going anywhere this year so why slow the development of young players? Why draft Austin if you're not going to give the guy a chance? And this is not the best wr's since the Posse. No way.
OK, I posted some of the WR rotations above...which was better than the current situation?
3 teams in 9 years makes a journeyman? :D
Andre Carter, congratulations, you're now a journeyman like London Fletcher.
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