One man's view of Santonio Holmes and the Skins

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GMScud
07-26-2011, 12:57 AM
Here we go. Is there any real evidence that we are targeting all of the Jets WR? I truly believe that if we resign Moss and build on what is in the building we are good to go this year at WR.

Like others have said, work on these lines in FA don't worry about the flashy guy. We need grit and grime not splash and dash.

Well, there's no concrete evidence a la Allen or Shanahan saying so, but multiple sources have reported that he's at or near the top of our wish list.

I know Santana is older than Holmes, but he's also been here a long time, would come much cheaper, and is arguably just flat our better than Santonio.

I'd much rather give Santana a 3 year deal than give Holmes a 5 or 6 year deal at a significantly higher premium.

artmonkforhallofamein07
07-26-2011, 01:05 AM
I have heard all of the reports, but at the same time this new regime is pretty tight on the information that comes out. Last year we were connected to alot of the top guys to only find out later that we were never even at the bargaining table.

Also why are all of the article pertaining to the Redskins still going with the Ol' Dan Snyder line? Snyder needs to stay away from player X... Have so many in the media really not checked their stories before sending them to print? There are new cats in charge here.... rant over...

SirClintonPortis
07-26-2011, 01:24 AM
Well, there's no concrete evidence a la Allen or Shanahan saying so, but multiple sources have reported that he's at or near the top of our wish list.

I know Santana is older than Holmes, but he's also been here a long time, would come much cheaper, and is arguably just flat our better than Santonio.

I'd much rather give Santana a 3 year deal than give Holmes a 5 or 6 year deal at a significantly higher premium.

Age 33 is the wall that very few WRs ever climb. Ochocinco is about to be cut by the Bengals, and he's 33. A 3 year contract is nuttery. Not to mention that Holmes has usually been more efficient than Moss even with a poor QB or poor OL.

GMScud
07-26-2011, 01:36 AM
Age 33 is the wall that very few WRs ever climb. Ochocinco is about to be cut by the Bengals, and he's 33. A 3 year contract is nuttery. Not to mention that Holmes has usually been more efficient than Moss even with a poor QB or poor OL.

Santana turned 32 a month ago. I'm not saying we give him some huge 3 year deal, but a reasonable 3 year contract with some backloaded money is most likely what Santana will get on the open market. Just my speculation.

Signing a guy in Moss who just turned 32 a month ago who's coming off an 1100+ yard 93 catch season (in a bad offense with no consistent QB play) to a 3 year deal certainly isn't "nuttery." The numbers just have to be right. He's no long-term answer, but it's more reasonable than inking a significantly larger deal for a WR in Holmes who really won't be any better than Moss with our QB situation over the next 2 or so seasons and will bring significant character issues to boot.

mooby
07-26-2011, 01:54 AM
The one thing Holmes has going for him is that he's clutch. But is he consistent? That's an entirely different story. And I don't think it's a good idea to sign a guy to a big money contract when he's one strike away from being suspended big time.

That Guy
07-26-2011, 03:40 AM
we should look at 2nd tier WRs. moss wants back. the jets are making holmes priority #1... so we should scoop edwards out instead, that way we can still get a guy that can't stay off the police blotter, but at a much friendlier price. Plax could be a steal too :P

honestly, between moss AA cooley and hankerson/fred davis/kelly/austin/etc we can do alright. If we don't have a DL worth two dams or we're missing a starting CB, we won't be winning much. we need at least one BIG upgrade on the OL too, preferably so we ditch rabach.

SBXVII
07-26-2011, 07:52 AM
I'm not saying we need Holms, but we do need a #1 WR. Some would say we drafted one, and I would agree and "hope" one works out, but great teams don't go into the season with hope. They go into the season with a plan.

1st- I'd contact whatever OL FA's that are available.
2nd- I'd contact FA CB's in case we let Rogers go.
3rd- I'd look to any other defensive players that could help the team.
4rth- I'd think about picking up a UFDA QB.

I know, I know my #4 is a bold statement. But if Grossman is resigned then the team won't be too horrid even if I let Beck start. So I think I'd bring in a young Rookie and try them out. If they didn't work out then next year we still can draft a QB, either trade up or look to FA.

SBXVII
07-26-2011, 07:59 AM
Ooops, lol, I failed to throw in the fact I'd still contact a WR. Who is out there that are #1's? I think the Junkies mentioned Braylon Edwards, Holmes, and Sidney Rice. They liked the idea of Rice because he's the youngest of the bunch and most physical.

Basically I'd contact the agents of all positions OL, WR, CB, and whatever other defensive positions needed. Its easier to contact the agents and say "hey we are interested come talk to us", most agents know if they can't get a good price out of us they can drive up the cost to other teams by using the Redskins name. So I'm pretty sure if any agents are contacted then players will be holding out until Friday or atleast untill after they talk with the Skins to see what the Skins will pay for them to use against their current team or other interested teams.

SBXVII
07-26-2011, 08:07 AM
we should look at 2nd tier WRs. moss wants back. the jets are making holmes priority #1... so we should scoop edwards out instead, that way we can still get a guy that can't stay off the police blotter, but at a much friendlier price. Plax could be a steal too :P

honestly, between moss AA cooley and hankerson/fred davis/kelly/austin/etc we can do alright. If we don't have a DL worth two dams or we're missing a starting CB, we won't be winning much. we need at least one BIG upgrade on the OL too, preferably so we ditch rabach.

I agree with you here except with Kelly. It's one thing to think "hey we already have a player on the team who can contribute" it's another to think he will actually play when he has not been able to stay healthy since drafted. I go back to my "hope" statement. I'd rather go into the season with Plax, Edwards, Holmes, or Rice and be pleasantly supprised if Kelly stayed healthy and we had two awsome weapons to compliment Moss and AA, or even more weapons if the Rookies pan out then to go into the season thinking.... we have Moss, AA, the Rookies, and hopefully Kelly steps up because if he doesn't step up like in the past we are sitting in a bad spot just like last year with only to decent weapons in Moss and AA.

Speaking of Moss, we could probably get the other Moss cheap also.... imagine the Moss/Moss threat. Say what you will about R.Moss but he's a hard worker and would show the young guys what they need to do to be great. Even if its just for a one year deal. I might even think about T.O. for a 1 yr deal only because he's worth his weight in gold his first yr and he has a great work ethic that our rookies could stand to pick up, then let him go.

SmootSmack
07-26-2011, 08:39 AM
I keep hearing Santonio from basically one source repeated several times, but I hear Rice and Jones from several sources. Not sure which if any are going to happen.

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