Schneed10
07-21-2011, 09:28 AM
Yes that does help. That makes it a lot easier to understand. Sounds like a dangerous thing though because if those signings don't work then their deadcap space will just replace the deadcap space the Skins got rid of. I hope we can hit right on our signings. For the sake of this season and future seasons. Not a good situation to having to keep signing guys to high signing bonuses and dealing with deadcap all the time.
Word, you hit the nail on the head.
If all your big signings are successful, not only are you good to go on the field but you maintain financial flexibility down the road to further build your team.
GhettoDogAllStars
07-21-2011, 03:11 PM
Now let's say Schneed plays 2 years and then one day blocks Coach Shanahan as he's trying to speed in the left lane, and Coach Shanahan decides he's had enough and cuts Schneed after those two seasons.
That's totally something Shanahan would do -- he's a dictator you know!
Seriously, thanks for the breakdown. That was useful.
GTripp0012
07-21-2011, 06:40 PM
It might be a one time obligation, but with teams that like to spend alot, it causes a chain reaction that affects the future. Like with us in the past, our release fees forced us to push money from the present year into the future, which increased future cap numbers as well as future release fees. Present mass-spending prevents future spending, and causes some players to be necessities to hold on to even if they are desired to be released.
I don't anticipate large contracts to be lowered at all, so lowering the cap and raising the floor just seems to hurt more teams than it helps because of the reasons I said in my last post. It just seems odd for the the owners to agree to.
I'd still like to know how you got your numbers, how they differ from the warpath's numbers, so I can better understand the cap. Also I'd like to know if you know where the check that the owner pays for going under the cap goes to.All my sources in this thread are linked in the OP. The Warpath Cap Sheets are a great resource of mine that were used in this thread. Problem is, they're just not up to date accurate. They still have great info on them, but the bottom line totals are not inclusive of anything that has happened in the last nine months.
The cash minimum and salary cap are just completely different entities. The only way they are related at all is that the cash minimum is determined by a percentage of that year's salary cap. The average cash spent per club is almost certainly going to exceed the salary cap in any given year, because the NFL's accounting methods allow cash bonuses to be deferred to future seasons in cap sheets.
Deadcap is certainly a limiting factor on the cash to cap ratio, but with that said, the total value of signing bonuses in any given offseason is going to exceed the total value of deadcap. That's why the cash minimum isn't much of a hurdle at all: it's just not going to affect the behavior of 75% of NFL franchises who spend x amount of dollars in every season anyway.
SmootSmack
07-21-2011, 07:03 PM
Might as well put this here, training camp rosters will be expanded from 80 to 90 players
NC_Skins
07-21-2011, 08:05 PM
They should just get rid of dead cap space and make it cash paid counts towards the cap.
That Guy
07-22-2011, 10:11 PM
(posted in wrong thread, my bad)
bedlamVR
07-26-2011, 04:04 AM
I have a question . In this year does the June the 1st designation still exist - i.e. the previous tool to push forward a portion of the cap hit to the following years for veterans cut after June the 1st .
I have seen a couple of people saying it doesn't apply this season and others (e.g AdamTJ13) insisting it did . What impact would this have on our cap situation and teams with a cap issue like the Cowboys ...
SBXVII
07-26-2011, 07:30 AM
Uh Oh, here we go again. DOOMSDAY. are we in cap hell? It seems like every year people like to say we are and then all the finageling starts.
JK.
I think we should be in pretty good shape to sign key items to help out the team. It's the teams like Dallas who will have to do some major contract work in order to keep players and bring in new ones.
The Owner
07-28-2011, 11:05 AM
So, with all the trades, rookie and vet signings.... Where do the Redskins stand in cap room? Does anyone have a "roundabout" idea?
Schneed10
07-28-2011, 11:08 AM
So, with all the trades, rookie and vet signings.... Where do the Redskins stand in cap room? Does anyone have a "roundabout" idea?
Really tough to tell. From my perspective, the information out there (sources: Clayton at ESPN, and Tandler via JI Halsell) are too greatly in conflict to be certain what the starting point was.
From there, information is sketchy on the impact of trading McNabb, impact of releasing Rabach, and the impact of the new deals signed over the last few days because we don't have the contract details yet.
I think space remains to keep working but I don't know how much. I wouldn't be putting out a number right now.